24 Feb 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidOf course, which is why I believe that this has been considered and solved by him. And naturally, I must speculate on it, but I see no reason why it's not possible.
That wasn't the question, though as a Christian am surprised at your lack of care for the salvation of others, even if they do reside on an alien world. If God is the sole creator, then these alien creatures also owe their origin to Him, no?
24 Feb 21
Did Jesus Save the Klingons?
The discovery of life beyond Earth would be a triumph for science but might wreak havoc on certain religions. Some faiths, such as evangelical Christianity, have long held that we are God’s favorite children and would not easily accommodate the notion that we would have to share the attention; others, such as Roman Catholicism, struggle with thorny questions such as whether aliens have original sin. - Now that researchers have discovered more than 1,500 exoplanets beyond the solar system, the day when scientists detect signs of life on one of them may be near at hand.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/religion-extraterrestrials-jesus-save-klingons/
24 Feb 21
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@suzianne saidDoes Jesus have to separately visit their planet?
Who says that his only begotten Son did not visit these "other planets"?
Furthermore, who says that he wasn't the "only begotten Son" on those planets as well? I would think that God is fully capable of a headlining run of "the greatest story ever told" on a multitude of planets, perhaps some at the same time.
I am constantly amazed that even believers in God simply do not give him enough credit.
Right. That’s a serious theological problem. Most theologians are pretty seriously averse to the idea that the son of God will have to visit every planet and get crucified on every planet.
What if there’s another planet that’s been in existence for 100 million years before us? Do all of those creatures not get to go to heaven because the Jesus event didn’t happen until 2,000 years ago? Is that fair? It’s not for me to say.
Some Catholic theologians are wiling to wave their hands and say it’s simply not a problem; God will take care of it. Some say it’s a serious problem. But theologically it’s a pretty interesting problem. These questions have been sitting out there for several hundred years. Two hundred years ago [American revolutionary and political philosopher] Thomas Paine put these questions out there very eloquently, and theologians started to address this and decided, yeah, this is a problem.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/religion-extraterrestrials-jesus-save-klingons/
24 Feb 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNope!
@sonship
If sentient intelligent life (similar to our own) was discovered on another planet, are humans still the only ones to be saved?
"In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you." -- John 14:2, KJV
24 Feb 21
@suzianne saidSorry, I meant from my atheistic perspective.
Au contraire. Now I will grant you that he is supernatural, but I cannot agree that he is hypothetical. Some conflate the two, but I do not.
I enter a conversation about god hypothetically, supposing such a deity exists.
24 Feb 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidTheologians are a stodgy bunch. They're averse to a lot more than that.
Does Jesus have to separately visit their planet?
Right. That’s a serious theological problem. Most theologians are pretty seriously averse to the idea that the son of God will have to visit every planet and get crucified on every planet.
What if there’s another planet that’s been in existence for 100 million years before us? Do all of those creatures not get t ...[text shortened]... oblem.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/religion-extraterrestrials-jesus-save-klingons/
I ask them: Is God omnipotent or not? Is God omniscient or not? Is God omnipresent or not?
24 Feb 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThat's better than most can manage, on either side.
Sorry, I meant from my atheistic perspective.
I enter a conversation about god hypothetically, supposing such a deity exists.
24 Feb 21
@suzianne saidI think sonship's reply was less considered:
Of course, which is why I believe that this has been considered and solved by him. And naturally, I must speculate on it, but I see no reason why it's not possible.
"I would not worry about the sins of something else on another planet."
24 Feb 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidEvery planet with life capable of making a choice. This narrows it down some (a lot).
Does Jesus have to separately visit their planet?
Right. That’s a serious theological problem. Most theologians are pretty seriously averse to the idea that the son of God will have to visit every planet and get crucified on every planet.
What if there’s another planet that’s been in existence for 100 million years before us? Do all of those creatures not get t ...[text shortened]... oblem.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/religion-extraterrestrials-jesus-save-klingons/
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@suzianne saidSo are you tendering the proposition that the son of God had to visit every planet (with sentient self aware life) and be crucified on every such planet?
Nope!
"In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you." -- John 14:2, KJV
24 Feb 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThis attitude is common among the "hardcore" religionists. Strangely enough (to my mind anyways) there is some need to be "special" among all life in the universe (that is, if they even consider for a second that there may be life on other planets). There also seems to be a common thread of being "human-centric", meaning, I guess, that anything less than human is not "worthy", regardless of its intelligence. They would consider humans to be the pinnacle. I would imagine it would depend on the world and its environment. Evolution is still a key component of creation.
I think sonship's reply was less considered:
"I would not worry about the sins of something else on another planet."
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24 Feb 21
If God is the sole creator, then these alien creatures also owe their origin to Him, no?
What does owing origin have to do with it?
What are we told?
Through one MAN sin entered the world.
"Therefore just a through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin, death; and thus death passed on to all men because all have sinned."(Rom. 5:12)
One man - death to all [men]. Sin entered into the world. You're a man. Me too.
I have no word from the Bible about sin entering through one ?????? on Altar-4.
24 Feb 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidPerhaps not crucified, per se. The manner of sacrifice would be conditional on factors such as the culture on the planet, its social advancement, core customs of that society, etc. I imagine it would have to be a blood-payment of sin debt, though, in whatever form that would take, given the other factors.
So are you tendering the proposition that the son of God had to visit every planet (with sentient self aware life) and be crucified on every such planet?
My short answer would be yes. Does this not amplify the immensity of the sacrifice made for God's creation?
24 Feb 21
@suzianne saidAgreed and I think it is such hardcore religionists who will struggle to adapt if and when intelligent life is discovered on another world.
This attitude is common among the "hardcore" religionists. Strangely enough (to my mind anyways) there is some need to be "special" among all life in the universe (that is, if they even consider for a second that there may be life on other planets). There also seems to be a common thread of being "human-centric", meaning, I guess, that anything less than human is not "wort ...[text shortened]... e it would depend on the world and its environment. Evolution is still a key component of creation.
24 Feb 21
@sonship saidI suspect that the Altarians would have their own Bible, with their own story.
@Ghost-of-a-DukeIf God is the sole creator, then these alien creatures also owe their origin to Him, no?
What does owing origin have to do with it?
What are we told?
Through one MAN sin entered the world.
[b]"Therefore just a through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin, death; and thus death passed on to all men because all ...[text shortened]... 're a man. Me too.
I have no word from the Bible about sin entering through one ?????? on Altar-4.