Originally posted by galveston75
Unbelievable. No wonder no one can explain this trinity thing. I mean no disrespect but that's about the craziest buch of mumbo jumbo I've ever tried to read. And I mean "tried" as it makes no sense at all.
All I see here is a total misunderstanding of these scriptures and some very vague attempts to play with words and try to make it believeable some h so ones resort to it being explained like this?
No wonder they call it a mystery!!!!!
Unbelievable. No wonder no one can explain this trinity thing.
There is no requirement place upon the disciples that they HAVE to be able to explain God's mysterious nature.
Can you point to an 11th commandment "Thou shalt surely be able to explain God" ?
What is required is that the believers experience
God subjectively, allowing Him to come into our being to impart life to us.
I mean no disrespect but that's about the craziest buch of mumbo jumbo I've ever tried to read.
You speal a lot about the kingdom of God. But you neglect that Christ taught that unless we turn and become as little children we would not enter into the kingdom of the heavens:
"And He called a little child to Him and stood him in their midst. And said, truly I say to you, Unless you turn and become like little children, you shall by no means enter into the kingdmo of the heavens." (Matt. 18:3)
The characteristic of a little child is trust. When the Bible tells me to receive Jesus Christ I trust my Father that I can and should do that.
Your protesting that my quotations from Paul's letter and explanation is mumbo jumno could simply be your refusal to turn to trust God's word as a little child.
You will not enter into the kingdom unless you turn and become as a little trusting child. And your reaction of calling the revelation "mumbo jumbo" could be the reaction of one whose mind has been blinded by Satan:
"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled in those who are perishing, In whom the god of this age has blinded the thoughts of the unbelievers that the illumination of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine on them." (2 Cor. 4:3,4)
For the gospel to be veiled is the same as the gospel being "mumbo jumbo" to the Satanic blinded mind. You could be in the process of perishing.
If I were you I would pray "Lord Jesus, my mind is blinded. Lord Jesus, my thoughts are blinded by the Devil. Have mercy upon me Lord. Help my unbelief."
And I mean "tried" as it makes no sense at all.
It is mysterious. But it makes sense. And not only can those who are perishing have their minds blinded, but the carnal minded consider the Gospel to be foolishness:
"But a soulish man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him and he is not able to know them because they are discerned spiritually." (1 Cor. 2:15)
If I were you I would pray something like this "Lord Jesus, Your gospel appears as foolishness to me. Have mercy upon Me Lord. I can only see the Gospel as foolish. Reach me Lord. Father, reach me with Your far reaching mercy. Reach down to me in this condition. I cannot help myself Father. Help my unbelief Lord."
All I see here is a total misunderstanding of these scriptures and some very vague attempts to play with words and try to make it believeable somehow and it just doesn't work.
It is plain as day that Paul is using various titles in an interchangeable way.
The Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ, Christ, the Spirit of the One who raised Jesus from the dead. All are said to be dwelling IN the believers.
If you have not received the Holy Spirit you don't know what he is talking about, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE.
The brothers who came up with the word "Trinity" had experience. They listened to the teachings of Arius and knew that it did not correspond to their experience. They were right to reject proto Watchtower Christology of that century.
Read my keyboard - YOU cannot educate me about the Triune God, PERIOD. As long as you have no experience, you cannot "help" me on the matter of the Trinity.
A BLIND MAN cannot assist one seeing on the nature of the color GREEN. And you cannot "help" me to understand where the teaching of the Trinity came from.
But if you do get some experience, I think I will know it. And some others here will probably detect a change too.
It can't be explained in plain everyday understandable english so ones resort to it being explained like this?
For the most part I QUOTED the New Testament. Your real contempt is toward the New Testament.
No wonder they call it a mystery!!!!!
The Bible says Christ is the mystery of God. Before "they" said it, the word of God said it. Find the passage yourself in Colossians. Christ - the mystery of God.