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-Removed-Okay, so if you're not really challenging whether the "garden" was real or symbolic (it appeared to me you were) then I'm not sure what your viewpoint is.
If you think the God who was able to bring everything into existence wasn't able or willing to make a garden to place a man into after creating him, or you think God just sits back and does nothing, or you believe there is no God, or that he isn't able to create a real garden that is also symbolic and instructive, or etc etc etc.
In other words, without knowing what you actually believe I have no idea what your point of contention is or could be. So what exactly are you trying to say? Get to the point... if there is one.
Originally posted by SuzianneHe's a wolf in sheeps clothing... the only one he's fooling is himself if he thinks we can't see that.
I'm not your spiritual advisor.
Your only goal in asking me this is to ridicule me if you do not agree with me, as has been shown here with others already.
The atheists also feel comfortable in joining in with your ridicule, so I'll pass, thanks.
I can almost hear Satan laughing in the background and saying "You will know the tooth, and the tooth will set you free. First I'll start with the soft fleshy parts and gnaw on the bones later. And the only thing I like better than chewing on sheep is dining on wolves... mm mm good!"
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-Removed-I got the gist of it. You were comparing death entering the world for man with the death of microbes. Maybe those microbes sinned before man showed up. Would that satisfy your need to understand why microbes die? Your skin is made up of living cells that die and flake off... is it because your skin has sinned and must die, or is there some other explanation for this? So many things to ponder and so little time... oh my.
But seriously, living things can start growing in cracks on hardened lava flows or in forests that have burned to a crisp... how is that possible if we need dead microbes to first nurture that soil?
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galveston75: Still there are no accounts being presented that disclaim what the bible says. Why not?
divegeester: I think the tens of thousands of authors of books on cosmology, geology, palaeontology, anthropology will will have something to say about that. Not to mention peer reviewed papers, posters and journals.
That post and your comments on death and microbes does tell me (if not exactly then close enough) what your point is. So what's next? Are you leading up to a discussion of Darwinian creationism and (in your opinion) the role God did not play in creation?
Originally posted by lemon limeI don't think anyone seriously questions divegeester's Christian faith and belief in its God figure. It seems to me that one of the questions that may be underpinning this discussion is ~ '...does insisting that allegories in scripture are "literally true" serve to obscure or misinterpret the role that God did play in creation and how it was actually brought about?'
That post and your comments on death and microbes does tell me (if not exactly then close enough) what your point is. So what's next? Are you leading up to a discussion of Darwinian creationism and (in your opinion) the role God did not play in creation?
The insinuations about the role of "Satan" in a believer calling an allegory an allegory or calling a bit of poetry a bit of poetry come across as attempts at holier-than-thou body-slamming. I mean, suggesting that "Satan" is behind disagreement or dissent is the most sneering blow a Christian can attempt to land on a fellow Christian's chin, right?
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-Removed-Why don't you respond to my question which I've reposted here...
What question? Reposted where?
If you're talking about challenging me to demonstrate the trees are real trees then how is that a question? I'll assume that's what you are talking about and counter your challenge by challenging you to demonstrate the tress are not real trees. Go to the Garden of Eden and bring back evidence of symbolic trees.
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I don't think anyone seriously questions divegeester's Christian faith and belief in its God figure. It seems to me that one of the questions that may be underpinning this discussion is ~ '...does insisting that allegories in scripture are "literally true" serve to obscure or misinterpret the role that God did play in creation and how it was actually brought abo ...[text shortened]... t is the most sneering blow a Christian can attempt to land on a fellow Christian's chin, right?