Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo, are you're saying that "the day" was literal, meaning a real day which started at sun up and ended at sun down, on the very same day as the literal eating of the forbidden literal tree? If so, how do you account for the circumstance that Adam did not die on that day, as God said he "surely" would? Either
if you can offer any evidence for a non literal interpretation of eating, day, dying or anything else then please do so. We have already established from a christian perspective that Jesus taught that the Garden was literal and no amount of intellectual jive talk can change that fact. If you wish to engage in pure speculation then its your affair.
1. God lied;
or
2. the claim that "the day" in Gen 2:17 is literal does not stand up to scrutiny.
Which is it?
Originally posted by moonbusbecause he started to die on that day, how hard can it be?
So, are you're saying that "the day" was literal, meaning a real day which started at sun up and ended at sun down, on the very same day as the literal eating of the forbidden literal tree? If so, how do you account for the circumstance that Adam did not die on that day, as God said he "surely" would? Either
1. God lied;
or
2. the claim that "the day" in Gen 2:17 is literal does not stand up to scrutiny.
Which is it?
-Removed-I am actually more interested in how its possible for the garden of Eden to be literal but the trees in it not to be, if you have any evidence to substantiate the claim then please point me in that direction for having looked through the thread i cannot find a single scriptural reference you have made.
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Originally posted by moonbusBut as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.* - Genesis 2:17
So, are you're saying that "the day" was literal, meaning a real day which started at sun up and ended at sun down, on the very same day as the literal eating of the forbidden literal tree? If so, how do you account for the circumstance that Adam did not die on that day, as God said he "surely" would? Either
1. God lied;
or
2. the claim that "the day" in Gen 2:17 is literal does not stand up to scrutiny.
Which is it?
*You will certainly die.
Literally, “dying you will die.” Hebrew mohth ta 'muth
representing a continuous action.
Originally posted by moonbus"the day" means the day he eats of that fruit. It doesn't mean he will die on that day. Cause and effect. If you do this, then that will surely happen. If I say you will surely die, it doesn't mean you will die right now. It just means that it will surely happen.
So, are you're saying that "the day" was literal, meaning a real day which started at sun up and ended at sun down, on the very same day as the literal eating of the forbidden literal tree? If so, how do you account for the circumstance that Adam did not die on that day, as God said he "surely" would? Either
1. God lied;
or
2. the claim that "the day" in Gen 2:17 is literal does not stand up to scrutiny.
Which is it?
Getting back to the tree, I don't see any reason why it couldn't have been a real tree having symbolic significance. And I don't necessarily need to believe it was a supernatural event as both you and I have already demonstrated.
I don't know why anyone here would assume or insist that this be an either/or question demanding only either/or answers. But if Dive is only looking for simple one dimensional answers then that's okay. It's his thread, he owns this thread...
pffft, no he doesn't