The Garden of Eden

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its an ancient document which I have no valid reason to dismiss the validity of its contents.

But you have no 'empirical evidence' to back it's veracity and you rely on your own 'self certified opinion'? Correct?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
But you have no 'empirical evidence' to back it's veracity and you rely on your own 'self certified opinion'? Correct?

that is the empirical evidence and i did not author it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
that is the empirical evidence and i did not author it.

Do you have any 'empirical evidence' someone can be brought back from the dead after 4 days?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Do you have any 'empirical evidence' someone can be brought back from the dead after 4 days?

Just what is written in the gospel accounts.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Just what is written in the gospel accounts.

So a no then.

Would it be fair to say you have no other evidence for Jesus deeds accept that which is contained within the gospel accounts?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
So a no then.

Would it be fair to say you have no other evidence for Jesus deeds accept that which is contained within the gospel accounts?

Jesus deeds are contained in the gospel accounts. There is testimony from secular historians that he was put to death by a roman provincial governor, Pilate.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Jesus deeds are contained in the gospel accounts. There is testimony from secular historians that he was put to death by a roman provincial governor, Pilate.

Does any of that fit your criteria for 'empirical evidence'?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Does any of that fit your criteria for 'empirical evidence'?

An empty tomb?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Does any of that fit your criteria for 'empirical evidence'?

yes

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes

Tell me more, but not about the crucifixion by Pilate. For the interests of debate I'll concede that for now.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Tell me more, but not about the crucifixion by Pilate. For the interests of debate I'll concede that for now.

Its all in the gospel accounts.

Now i need to go to gym, my gym i found out has state of the art technology, i can surf the web while doing cardio, track my progress from the cloud. . . and once i become skinny again ill share my results on facebook for you to see and so you will not be able to call me fatboy no more.

Originally posted by josephw
An empty tomb?

Go on.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its all in the gospel accounts.

Now i need to go to gym, my gym i found out has state of the art technology, i can surf the web while doing cardio, track my progress from the cloud. . . and once i become skinny again ill share my results on facebook for you to see and so you will not be able to call me fatboy no more.

And how do you know the gospel accounts are true?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
And how do you know the gospel accounts are true?

I have read them and they have 'the ring of truth'. Take for example Jesus miracles, they are completely devoid of sensationalism and are almost matter of fact.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have read them and they have 'the ring of truth'. Take for example Jesus miracles, they are completely devoid of sensationalism and are almost matter of fact.

So it's your own 'self certified opinion' they are true then?