Originally posted by Proper KnobThat's all you need. If there wasn't any other word an empty tomb is all the empirical evidence needed to prove the truth about who Jesus said He is. The empty tomb proves He rose from the dead just as He said He would.
Go on.
Unless one wants to be counted with the obfuscators and deny the authenticity of the record, one can only conclude that the resurrection of Jesus Christ settles forever all disputes.
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Originally posted by josephwHow do you know the tomb was empty?
That's all you need. If there wasn't any other word an empty tomb is all the empirical evidence needed to prove the truth about who Jesus said He is. The empty tomb proves He rose from the dead just as He said He would.
Unless one wants to be counted with the obfuscators and deny the authenticity of the record, one can only conclude that the resurrection of Jesus Christ settles forever all disputes.
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Originally posted by josephwGo on. Tell me more about the 'reliability of the record' and how this pertains to an empty tomb and a miraculous resurrection. Claiming you just know it's the truth doesn't quite cut it for me.
I [b]do know the tomb was empty because of the reliability of the record.[/b]
Originally posted by Proper KnobYou asked me how I knew that the tomb was empty and I told you it was because of the reliability of the record.
Go on. Tell me more about the 'reliability of the record' and how this pertains to an empty tomb and a miraculous resurrection. Claiming you just know it's the truth doesn't quite cut it for me.
What more can one ask for?
How do you "know" anything is historically true except by reason of the reliability of the record? Eye witness accounts, personal testimony, authenticity of manuscript evidence and the scholarly work of historians are all reasons why we trust that what we're being told is true.
And there's no better record than the Bible of what is known about the history of Israel and of the life of Jesus.
Originally posted by josephwWhat more can one ask for? An explanation and some examples of what you mean by 'the reliability of the record for a start, and then how this 'reliability' relates to the 'empty tomb'. Form what I've read the gospel accounts don't even correlate with each other when they describe the discovery of the empty tomb.
You asked me how I knew that the tomb was empty and I told you it was because of the reliability of the record.
What more can one ask for?
How do you "know" anything is historically true except by reason of the reliability of the record? Eye witness accounts, personal testimony, authenticity of manuscript evidence and the scholarly work of historians a ...[text shortened]... ter record than the Bible of what is known about the history of Israel and of the life of Jesus.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobCould you provide us with your two strongest examples of how the Gospels do not correspond to each other on the empty tomb?
What more can one ask for? An explanation and some examples of what you mean by 'the reliability of the record for a start, and then how this 'reliability' relates to the 'empty tomb'. Form what I've read the gospel accounts don't even correlate with each other when they describe the discovery of the empty tomb.
Go right to your most prominent examples of discrepancy.
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The Garden of Eden, I think is historical. But it is also an analogy, I think, of God's desire to grow Himself in His creature man.
God created a creature within whom God could enter, mingle, unite, and grow into oneness with.
He obtains His heart's desire in the end of the Bible when the garden becomes a city.