Originally posted by dj2beckerThat's retarded nonsense. What you are saying is that if you start with something as an "Absolute Point of Reference" the meaning of any word can be tortured to fit into your own preconceived ideas. I know that; I read 1984. "Peace is war" "Black is white" etc. etc. etc. etc. However, that does not change the fact that your God cannot be both omnibenevolent (all good)and omnipotent (all powerful) and evil exist.
All that I am saying is that what the Bible reveals about God's character is logically compatible with the words "omnipotent", "omnibenevolent" and "omniscient" if you take the Bible as your absolute point of reference.
What is so hard to understand about this?
You really need to start trying to think for yourself and stop swallowing the drivel that is spoon fed you; you are making a complete fool out of yourself.
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Originally posted by no1marauderWhat you are saying is true if human free-will were to be removed from the picture.
That's retarded nonsense. What you are saying is that if you start with something as an "Absolute Point of Reference" the meaning of any word can be tortured to fit into your own preconceived ideas. I know that; I read 1984. "Peace is war" "Black is white" etc. etc. etc. etc. However, that does not change the fact that your God cannot be both omnibenevol ...[text shortened]... llowing the drivel that is spoon fed you; you are making a complete fool out of yourself.
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Originally posted by scottishinnzWho said God was Evil? Good and Evil are mutually exclusive. God cannot be both Good and Evil at the same time. The existence of Evil is totally compatible with an all-good God.
human free will does not come into the equation if you have a three "o"s god, since he cannot help but be good.
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Originally posted by dj2beckerNo, what I mean is what I said on page 8:
Your logic is flawed.
Do you mean to say that black and white cannot co-exist at the same time?
If God allowed evil to exist when he could have prevented it, he's not omnibenevolent ("all good"😉.
If he couldn't prevent evil from existing, he's not omnipotent ("all powerful"😉.
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Originally posted by no1marauderIf God allowed evil to exist when he could have prevented it, he's not omnibenevolent ("all good"😉.
No, what I mean is what I said on page 8:
If God allowed evil to exist when he could have prevented it, he's not omnibenevolent ("all good"😉.
If he couldn't prevent evil from existing, he's not omnipotent ("all powerful"😉.
By what definition of all-good does that follow? How would you have known that God was all-good if evil did not exist in the first place?
If he couldn't prevent evil from existing, he's not omnipotent ("all powerful"😉.
How so? If he is all powerful and wanted evil to exist it would be in his power to allow evil to exist.
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Originally posted by scottishinnzIt does not logically follow that white needs to destroy black in order for white to exist.
Not if white destroys black, and absolutely must do so at the first available opportunity.
To the contrary, white and black need to co-exist in order for you to be able to tell the difference between the two colours.
Originally posted by scottishinnzdj2, you must excuse me; I'm not a biblical scholar. So I don't really know where exactly God reveals his character in the bible. But I've read bits and pieces of the bible, and am able to form an opinion on the general character of God.
Not if white destroys black, and absolutely must do so at the first available opportunity.
So here we have a being who's supposed to be almighty. He is supposed to be loving and have merciful. First He creats the world in 7 days and makes the perfect man in Adam. Then he makes him a partner from a rib bone. He puts them both in paradise. All so nice and apparently agrees with the initial impression above, you see. BUT!!... then comes the weirdness....
He puts an apple tree in paradise and tells Adam and Even that the apples are forbidden, knowing very well that they will not be able to resist the temptation (He should know because it's in his nature to know everything!). In fact, He even allows satan to seduce Eve to eat the apples. He is able to shut satan out of paradise in the first place, but decided that that will not be fun. He wants to put his subjects to the test. He is essentially an egoist and craves his subjects to worship him unconditionally.
But in the end Adam and Eve disobey him, and are duly banished from paradise. And then God is not satisfied. He is still annoyed for their disobedience. So he condemns the entire descendents to eternal sin. Yet he proclaims that he loves us all.
Strangely enough he never does reveal himself in the flesh, so that most of us are left guessing on his existence. He was so pissed of with us for disobeying him that he decides to drown all of us, except for a few. Then he allows us to reproduce again. And again we multiply into creatures who expectedly can't 'see' him. And when people can't 'see' him, he decides to send his own son to deliver the message and eventually allows his own son to die for us.
It seems to me that God, if he exists at all, is not such a respectable being. I have no respect for such a character. I think he is a confused being.
Originally posted by dj2beckerAs to point 1, who cares? God would know if he was all-good if he didn't allow evil to exist wouldn't he? He is omniscient after all!
[b]If God allowed evil to exist when he could have prevented it, he's not omnibenevolent ("all good"😉.
By what definition of all-good does that follow? How would you have known that God was all-good if evil did not exist in the first place?
If he couldn't prevent evil from existing, he's not omnipotent ("all powerful"😉.
How so? If he is all powerful and wanted evil to exist it would be in his power to allow evil to exist.[/b]
As to point 2, yes you bloody fool: he wanted evil to exist and it does. Therefore, he is NOT omnibenevolent. What part of this can't you understand?
Originally posted by ckoh1965Oops!... I have mistakenly quoted the wrong post.. sorry bout that...
dj2, you must excuse me; I'm not a biblical scholar. So I don't really know where exactly God reveals his character in the bible. But I've read bits and pieces of the bible, and am able to form an opinion on the general character of God.
So here we have a being who's supposed to be almighty. He is supposed to be loving and have merciful. First He creats ...[text shortened]... ctable being. I have no respect for such a character. I think he is a confused being.
