-Removed-Because, you horsesass, Revelation contains the proof texts supporting our assertions. That, and because you'll never read anything in Revelation if we don't.
Now you can continue to play this silly game of asserting your opinion that it's all metaphorical, or you can read the text which God has preserved intact and complete and believe what it says.
Or run from the truth like a frightened little girl.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhat about righteous, good, holy? Everything that He does has to satisfy every single attribute at the same time without exception. Ignoring any of those attributes takes away from the real divine nature of God and replaces it with something you want instead of what is.
I listed commonly agreed qualities of your God:
1. All-powerful
2. All wise
3. All-loving
Which of these qualities do you accuse me of making up? And why is it unreasonable for me to conclude that such qualities are not compatible with a God that would have people tormented for all eternity?
@kellyjay saidI will gladly add those qualities to the list:
What about righteous, good, holy? Everything that He does has to satisfy every single attribute at the same time without exception. Ignoring any of those attributes takes away from the real divine nature of God and replaces it with something you want instead of what is.
1. All-powerful
2. All wise
3. All-loving
4. Righteous
5. Good
6. Holy
The question however remains unchanged. 'Why is it unreasonable for me to conclude that such qualities are not compatible with a God that would have people tormented for all eternity?'
Feel free to answer at your convenience.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhat does the text say?
I will gladly add those qualities to the list:
1. All-powerful
2. All wise
3. All-loving
4. Righteous
5. Good
6. Holy
The question however remains unchanged. 'Why is it unreasonable for me to conclude that such qualities are not compatible with a God that would have people tormented for all eternity?'
Feel free to answer at your convenience.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidLook at the beginning to understand the end! God created a universe and at the end of creating God called it very good. All life on the earth were able to do as they willed with the one mandate multiply so it was all about life.
The text says God is:
1. All-powerful
2. All wise
3. All-loving
4. Righteous
5. Good
6. Holy
And that the lamb of God will be in the presence of those suffering in eternal torment. How do 'you' (Kelly) balance the two extremes?
Man was unique in that man was created in God’s imagine able to understand love, communicate with God and rule the earth with a command to avoid the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Everything was there God could be talked to there were no unmet needs, until the first lie.
From then on the desires God has for us are being fault against, remember all of the attributes of God? Perfect goodness, justice, holiness, love desires are hindered by the selfishness of man and the hate of the demonic. So anything that denies the full good that perfect love wants is going to be evil.
The nature of God will not force us to Him, but will give us our desires even if it’s not Him. He is going to judge and do away with evil those that want it, get to keep it. Then we all are judged before the unspoiled creation begins.
@kellyjay saidNone of that addresses the point of my post.
Look at the beginning to understand the end! God created a universe and at the end of creating God called it very good. All life on the earth were able to do as they willed with the one mandate multiply so it was all about life.
Man was unique in that man was created in God’s imagine able to understand love, communicate with God and rule the earth with a command to avoid ...[text shortened]... vil those that want it, get to keep it. Then we all are judged before the unspoiled creation begins.
How do 'you' (Kelly) balance the two extremes?
@kellyjay saidLook at the beginning to understand the end! God created a universe and at the end of creating God called it very good. All life on the earth were able to do as they willed with the one mandate multiply so it was all about life.
Man was unique in that man was created in God’s imagine able to understand love, communicate with God and rule the earth with a command to avoid the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Everything was there God could be talked to there were no unmet needs, until the first lie.
From then on the desires God has for us are being fault against, remember all of the attributes of God? Perfect goodness, justice, holiness, love desires are hindered by the selfishness of man and the hate of the demonic. So anything that denies the full good that perfect love wants is going to be evil.
The nature of God will not force us to Him, but will give us our desires even if it’s not Him. He is going to judge and do away with evil those that want it, get to keep it. Then we all are judged before the unspoiled creation begins.
But why is the punishment torture in burning flames though?
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Because people are evil and god is holy and if god were fair he would burn us all for eternity.
It’s in the bible, it’s plain to see, you’re blind if you can’t see it.
This is not my opinion it is truth.
Etc etc
You do not often respond to questions I put to you on this difficult matter. To be fair, ONCE I recall you replied to me asking you about would you upon finding out you were wrong, desire to throw your lot in with the condemned Devil. I think once you said what amounted to the question is irrelevant or not valid.
You once just dismissed it. I count it as dodging.
God has warned eternal blessing to the saved and eternal misery to the lost. If I chose to REJECT Christ and thus rejecting being saved, should I then come before Him in the last judgment with this argument? -
"God, I know that you warned of eternal blessing to those saved and eternal loss to those not saved. Since I rejected Christ and salvation, the fair thing for YOU to do is see that EVERYONE suffers eternal loss along with me. "
Above -
Because people are evil and god is holy and if god were fair he would burn us all for eternity.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhat confuses you or does not matter in your estimation? The fact that someone who by definition is perfectly good and just is doing something and there are those who oppose Him?
None of that addresses the point of my post.
How do 'you' (Kelly) balance the two extremes?