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    11 Nov '11 11:54
    This thread I have opened for a continuation of the discussion between jaywill and bbarr on his charge of God being horrific.

    It started on a thread called "The Bible Accepts Homosexuality".
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    11 Nov '11 12:19
    Originally posted by jaywill
    This thread I have opened for a continuation of the discussion between jaywill and bbarr on his charge of God being horrific.

    It started on a thread called "The Bible Accepts Homosexuality".
    God committed genocide in the great flood. Therefore, if god exists, he is horrific.
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    11 Nov '11 13:201 edit
    Originally posted by rwingett
    God committed genocide in the great flood. Therefore, if god exists, he is horrific.
    Yea, except God created life and death so when either are appointed how does
    that make God horrific? Now someone who does not have the ability or the
    authority to create life or anything else causes genocide that does cause
    horrific damage when they end life I agree. When God acts He is within His
    ability and rightful place to do so as He wills.
    Kelly
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    11 Nov '11 13:34
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Yea, except God created life and death so when either are appointed how does
    that make God horrific? Now someone who does not have the ability or the
    authority to create life or anything else causes genocide that does cause
    horrific damage when they end life I agree. When God acts He is within His
    ability and rightful place to do so as He wills.
    Kelly
    Creating life does not give the right to end it.

    If you 'create' give birth to a child, you do not have the right to subsequently kill that child.

    God as described in the bible is an abomination.

    And certainly not worthy of worship.
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    11 Nov '11 14:18
    Originally posted by rwingett
    God committed genocide in the great flood. Therefore, if god exists, he is horrific.
    only for the many who refuse to belive in him.. so look out
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    11 Nov '11 14:45
    Originally posted by rwingett
    God committed genocide in the great flood. Therefore, if god exists, he is horrific.
    He is only horrific against sin. He is not known to act without reason. And the reason is usually against sin.
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    11 Nov '11 15:35
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    He is only horrific against sin. He is not known to act without reason. And the reason is usually against sin.
    Sin being defined as that which upsets him, so basically he gets to do whatever he likes.

    Still going with god is horrific... or would be if he existed.
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    11 Nov '11 18:16
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Yea, except God created life and death so when either are appointed how does
    that make God horrific? Now someone who does not have the ability or the
    authority to create life or anything else causes genocide that does cause
    horrific damage when they end life I agree. When God acts He is within His
    ability and rightful place to do so as He wills.
    Kelly
    So since God has the power to create living things, it is therefore His rightful place to treat them however he fancies once He has created them? Sorry, but that doesn't seem to make any sense. Do you have any considerations that would serve to justify such a claim?
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    11 Nov '11 18:24
    Originally posted by rwingett
    God committed genocide in the great flood. Therefore, if god exists, he is horrific.
    If a potter fashions some type of pottery from clay and he does not like
    how it is turning out, doesn't he have the right to squash it and start
    all over until he makes something that he likes?
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    11 Nov '11 18:31
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    If a potter fashions some type of pottery from clay and he does not like
    how it is turning out, doesn't he have the right to squash it and start
    all over until he makes something that he likes?
    Is "some type of pottery from clay" a moral patient?
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    11 Nov '11 18:42
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    If a potter fashions some type of pottery from clay and he does not like
    how it is turning out, doesn't he have the right to squash it and start
    all over until he makes something that he likes?
    People are not property.
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    11 Nov '11 19:09
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    If a potter fashions some type of pottery from clay and he does not like
    how it is turning out, doesn't he have the right to squash it and start
    all over until he makes something that he likes?
    This may be a case of mistaken identity.

    http://www.shsu.edu/~eng_wpf/authors/Twain/Mysterious-Stranger.htm
    ...
    "He went on chatting as simply and unaffectedly as ever; and while he talked he made a crowd of little men and women the size of your finger, and they went diligently to work and cleared and leveled off a space a couple of yards square in the grass and began to build a cunning little castle in it, the women mixing the mortar and carrying it up the scaffoldings in pails on their heads, just as our work-women have always done, and the men laying the courses of masonry - five hundred of these toy people swarming briskly about and working diligently and wiping the sweat off their faces as natural as life."
    ...
    "Two of the little workmen were quarreling, and in buzzing little bumblebee voices they were cursing and swearing at each other; now came blows and blood; then they locked themselves together in a life-and-death struggle. Satan reached out his hand and crushed the life out of them with his fingers, threw them away, wiped the red from his fingers on his handkerchief, and went on talking where he had left off: "We cannot do wrong; neither have we any disposition to do it, for we do not know what it is."
    ...
    "...the wives of the little dead men had found the crushed and shapeless bodies and were crying over them, and sobbing and lamenting, and a priest was kneeling there with his hands crossed upon his breast, praying; and crowds and crowds of pitying friends were massed about them, reverently uncovered, with their bare heads bowed, and many with the tears running down a scene which Satan paid no attention to until the small noise of the weeping and praying began to annoy him, then he reached out and took the heavy board seat out of our swing and brought it down and mashed all those people into the earth just as if they had been flies, and went on talking just the same."
    ...
    "But he went on talking right along, and worked his enchantments upon us again with that fatal music of his voice. He made us forget everything; we could only listen to him, and love him, and be his slaves, to do with us as he would. He made us drunk with the joy of being with him, and of looking into the heaven of his eyes, and of feeling the ecstasy that thrilled along our veins from the touch of his hand."
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    11 Nov '11 19:18
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Creating life does not give the right to end it.

    If you 'create' give birth to a child, you do not have the right to subsequently kill that child.

    God as described in the bible is an abomination.

    And certainly not worthy of worship.
    Who says creating life doesn't give the creator the right to end it, you?
    Seriously, by what standard do you get this? Who are you to set the rules
    on what a creator can do with His creation? Fathers and Mothers are not the
    creators of life, they go through the processes set in motion by God, but even
    there they can hope for and not get what they want. I think are a little confused
    about terms in this discussion.
    Kelly
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    11 Nov '11 19:19
    Originally posted by LemonJello
    So since God has the power to create living things, it is therefore His rightful place to treat them however he fancies once He has created them? Sorry, but that doesn't seem to make any sense. Do you have any considerations that would serve to justify such a claim?
    What creator doesn't do with what they make whatever they want? What
    creator doesn't set standards on what they make as good or bad?
    Kelly
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    11 Nov '11 19:43
    Originally posted by LemonJello
    Is "some type of pottery from clay" a moral patient?
    I don't understand your question. Maybe it would help if you rephrased
    it with words defining what you mean.
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