Ask the thumb downers of my comments on the Trinity why they exist.
I wager that you will get nothing.
The Trinity is important because the love of God is important.
The Trinity is important because the grace of Christ is important.
The Trinity is important because the fellowship of the Holy Spirit is too.
"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowshiop of the Holy Spirit be with you all." (2 Cor. 13:14)
Some people care little for God's love, God's fellowship, or God's grace.
It then is no surprise that they care nothing about the Triune God - the Father - Son - Holy Spirit.
@sonship
This is a interesting read:
Trinity and Polytheism
As you can tell from both Isaiah 43:10 and Exodus 20:3, God specifies that Polytheism is absolutely and categorically forbidden. At no point in time either, will polytheism or the concept of multiple Gods be allowed. You must be saying that the Trinity is monotheism because they are "manifestations" of one another, but are all the same, like ice-water-steam. Let's see what the Bible says:
Mathew 3 (KJV)
[16] And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him**, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a do**ve, and lighting upon him:
[17] And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
So here is what we can picture from the verse.
Jesus(pbuh) is coming out of the water as a physical human being.
The Holy Ghost ( Spirit of God) is descending from the sky, floating like a dove
Jesus(pbuh) physically sees the Holy Ghost with his own eyes as a separate physical entity.
A separate voice, not that of Jesus or the Holy Ghost speaks of Jesus(pbuh).
What you see is that these verses clearly show 3 separate physical entities, all in different forms, all independent of each other.
Two of these forms able to view each other separately and with one of these communicating independently of the other, with all 3 independent of each other.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateReligion/comments/8sauby/why_the_trinity_is_polytheism/
I really don't understand the importance of such a discussion.
I have noticed that almost invariably the uncertainty about the Triune God manifests itself in under appreciating the incarnation of Christ.
You'll notice that skepticism at the Trinity is accompanied here with one poster with unbelief that the office of the Son of God is as the Bible reveals, eternal.
This seems to often be a byproduct of skepticism on the three-oneness of God, the Son is not quite God, not quite to be honored as God, and a temporary something.
However to God the Son the word is "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever . . ." (Hebrews 1:8)
Who is being addressed here ? The Son of God -
But to the Son, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever . . . " .
Hold on now. The Chubby Checker school of theology is about to "Twist and Shout".
Tritheism is polytheism.
A full presentation of the Triune God taking in ALL relevant passages is not polytheism.
Polytheism is also represented by teachers who have Jehovah God and a lesser god as two gods.
God Almighty accompanied by a Mighty God is polytheism.
A more thorough presentation of the Father - Son - Holy Spirit reveals He is one God dispensing what He is into His people.
Ie. " He [the Holy Spirit] will glorify Me [the Son], for He will receive of Mine and will declare it to you.
All that the Father has is Mine; for this reason I have said that He receives of Mine and will declare it to you [the church]. " (John 16:14,15)
There is a transmission.
There is a imparting.
There is a dispensing of all the Father has which is embodied in the Son as a channel through which the flow of the Holy Spirit conveys God into man.
@galveston75
The Atheist and the Jehovah's Witness have a common enemy - Christ.
So they give one another the supportive nod.
@sonship saidYou say this:
Ask the thumb downers of my comments on the Trinity why they exist.
I wager that you will get nothing.
The Trinity is important because the love of God is important.
The Trinity is important because the grace of Christ is important.
The Trinity is important because the fellowship of the Holy Spirit is too.
[b]"The grace of the Lord Jesu ...[text shortened]... It then is no surprise that they care nothing about the Triune God - the Father - Son - Holy Spirit.
The Trinity is important because the love of God is important.
The Trinity is important because the grace of Christ is important.
The Trinity is important because the fellowship of the Holy Spirit is too.
So the question is why do you think that the three of them being in a trinity setting has to happen for there to be "Love", "grace" and "fellowship" to happen?????
Those things can happen just as easily if the trinity didn't exist. Right? Seriously?
@sonship saidThat's about the stupidest comment you've made in awhile buddy. Just because my belief in Jesus is different then yours you have the right to post this? Geeeez....
@galveston75
The Atheist and the Jehovah's Witness have a common enemy - Christ.
So they give one another the supportive nod.
That's the general attitude of some of you trinity folks in that their holy-er then everyone else. Yeah right....
So the question is why do you think that the three of them being in a trinity setting has to happen for there to be "Love", "grace" and "fellowship" to happen?????
Those things can happen just as easily if the trinity didn't exist. Right? Seriously?
If you are indeed serious, if my answer required more than the space of one post would you read it?
I do not want to flippantly respond to such a serious question with a quicky.
I would like to adequately express my thoughts on that.
Let me start by saying God is love. And the love of God is poured forth into the hearts of the believers BY . . . the Holy Spirit. Sure He does -
" . . . because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us." (Romans 5:5)
Here in this one verse the "who" who has been given to the believers is "the Holy Spirit" a living yet mysterious Person. He has been poured out in to the hearts of those who have been saved by the Lord Jesus.
Dispensed - Poured Out - imparted - coming ALONG with a Person who comes to make an abode with the lovers of Jesus.
Doesn't your teaching from the committee of "faithful and prudent servant" make your heart colder and colder towards the name the Lord Jesus?
The more they taught you about Jesus the chillier your heart grows towards His name. The colder the more aloof you are from the Savior. The fruit of the indoctrination cools your heart towards God.
It is the same for the grace. Grace is something within Paul that was causing him to live Christ out, live in union WITH Christ as the empowering One within him.
Sure it was. Compare these two passages:
" . . . it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me . . . " (Gal. 2:20)
" . . . I labored more abundantly then all of them, yet not I but the grace of God which is with me." (1 Cor. 15:10)
Yet not I but Christ.
Yet not I but the grace of God.
The living Person of Jehovah as Christ lived in Paul, living out from Paul, living in union and in blending with Paul - "not I but Christ".
This living Person was "the grace of God" with Paul.
He learned to let this Person come into him and empower him. He so labored more than even all the original twelve apostles.
By the grace of God [the indwelling Jesus Christ] he was what he was.
"But by the grace of God I am what I am; and His grace unto me did not turn out to be in vain, but, on the contrary, I labored more abundantly than all of them, yet not I but the grace of God which is with me."
Jehovah God comes into our spirit through the resurrected Jesus Christ to be grace, to be God is love poured forth in our hearts. All this takes place through the communion, the intimate fellowship of the Third Person of the Triune God - the Holy Spirit.
@sonship saidNo. Don't even bother. The bible is crystal clear on this subject and there is no trinity. It was conceived in Babylon which is where most false teachings originated. Your trinity was designed by a godless society and it is so sad you not only don't see it, you promote it and in turn condemn those who don't supposedly see it.
@galveston75
So the question is why do you think that the three of them being in a trinity setting has to happen for there to be "Love", "grace" and "fellowship" to happen?????
Those things can happen just as easily if the trinity didn't exist. Right? Seriously?
If you are indeed serious, if my answer required more than the space of one post woul ...[text shortened]... red Out - imparted - coming ALONG with a Person who comes to make an abode with the lovers of Jesus.
And you try to post all the words, soooo many words, that end up just going no where. I get that same line of reasoning from my relatives that, first are saved and that condemn me for not understanding the trinity. Then they do just as you do and talk for hours and it's just talk and talk.. Hello...their is nothing to understand. It's not in the Bible. And guess what? It is crystal clear that it's not real.
So absolutely not, I want no explanation from you on the trinity......
@sonship saidLol. OMG.
Doesn't your teaching from the committee of "faithful and prudent servant" make your heart colder and colder towards the name the Lord Jesus?
The more they taught you about Jesus the chillier your heart grows towards His name. The colder the more aloof you are from the Savior. The fruit of the indoctrination cools your heart towards God.
It is the same ...[text shortened]... ough the communion, the intimate fellowship of the Third Person of the Triune God - the Holy Spirit.
@sonship said'Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.' Isaiah 43:10
@galveston75
The Atheist and the Jehovah's Witness have a common enemy - Christ.
So they give one another the supportive nod.
'You shall have no other gods before me.' Exodus 20:3
The early church understood this and wouldn't have recognized the abomination of Trinitarianism. Jesus himself told you the Father was greater than himself - "Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone."
If you're looking for the enemy of Jesus then I think some inner reflection is required your end.
@sonship saidAs an aside, do you honestly think Jehovah's Witnesses view Jesus, God's first creation, as an enemy? Is your knowledge of their beliefs really that naive?
@galveston75
The Atheist and the Jehovah's Witness have a common enemy - Christ.
So they give one another the supportive nod.
Why do you do that? Why do you misrepresent the beliefs of others to grandiose your own? I've seen you do the same thing with Hinduism.