The influence of science on society

Originally posted by Starrman
What? What has that got to do with anything? Creating intelligence and using intlligence are two seperate things, what is so hard to understand about that?

I edited my 'typo'.

Originally posted by Starrman
What? What has that got to do with anything? Creating intelligence and using intlligence are two seperate things, what is so hard to understand about that?

The fact that he has none.

Originally posted by Starrman
What? What has that got to do with anything? Creating intelligence and using intlligence are two seperate things, what is so hard to understand about that?

Do you mean to say that there is no "intelligence" displayed in the post that you just created?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Do you mean to say that there is no "intelligence" displayed in the post that you just created?

There's clearly very little displayed in yours.

No, the post Starrman created is a display of his intelligence. It has no innate intelligence of it's own.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Would you like to name a few?

*yawn if I must.

Euclid - Mathematics +- 300 BCE
Aristarchus of Samos - astronomy +- 260 BCE

The list could go on, but try using google (just leave out your usual +jesus when searching).

And, just for the record, you cannot be that blind to reality to NOT know that these people existed. For one second, open your eyes to reality - and that is not to say that your religion is wrong, but that you seem to go out of your way to avoid anything else. Just a thought, use it or don't use it.

Originally posted by jimmyb270
Let me ask you a question, what exactly is intelligence?

I imagine you are referring to humans when you speak of intelligence. Fair enough, I would agree that, with some exceptions, humans are extremely intelligent beings.

What about early humans, homo erectus and the like? We have archaelogical evidence that they used simple tools, made fire, drew c ...[text shortened]... t is enforced over the generations, eventually after many millions of years, you end up with us.

What do you think caused the new information? Do you believe that mutations can cause new information?

According to Dr Lee Spetner, a highly qualified scientist who taught information and communication theory at Johns Hopkins University, makes this abundantly clear in his recent book:

‘All point mutations that have been studied on the molecular level turn out to reduce the genetic information and not to increase it.'

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i3/answer.asp

Originally posted by jimmyb270
There's clearly very little displayed in yours.

No, the post Starrman created is a display of [b]his intelligence. It has no innate intelligence of it's own.[/b]

What he said.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Are you suggesting that you did not use intelligence to create this "intelligent" post.

Consider you say God created the universe? : do you have a suggestion for the value of n for the Manifold and any idea what metric need to be applied to n-space to model any forces that god would use to create the universe with ?
Is about time you start to try and prove your hypothesis ,,isnt it?

Originally posted by jimmyb270
There's clearly very little displayed in yours.

No, the post Starrman created is a display of [b]his intelligence. It has no innate intelligence of it's own.[/b]

Any form of intelligence comes from a greater source of intelligence as portrayed by Starman's post. If Starman had just used a random amount of Alphabetical letters there would have been no intelligence contained in his post. But the fact that the Alphabetical letters posted by Starman were arranged into words that have meaning clearly shows that they contain more intelligence than they would have had Starman simply posted gibberish. So if you want to argue that the post that Starman posted has no intelligence of its own, but simply displays his own intelligence, then you have a bit of a problem...

Think of it this way. You are then saying that the "chemical soup" from which you evolved had more intelligence than you have...

Originally posted by dj2becker
Any form of intelligence comes from a greater source of intelligence as portrayed by Starman's post. If Starman had just used a random amount of Alphabetical letters there would have been no intelligence contained in his post. But the fact that the Alphabetical letters posted by Starman were arranged into words that have meaning clearly shows that they co ...[text shortened]... saying that the "chemical soup" from which you evolved had more intelligence than you have...

That is not exactly true. While the letters were ordered from a cahotic state, the TOTAL chaos (or entropy) in the universe increased. Nothing was given away for free, rather the reverse. The ordering of the letters created a great deal more disorder.

While this neither proves nor disproves any religious / areligious arguments, the point needed to be made.

Originally posted by dj2becker
Any form of intelligence comes from a greater source of intelligence as portrayed by Starman's post. If Starman had just used a random amount of Alphabetical letters there would have been no intelligence contained in his post. But the fact that the Alphabetical letters posted by Starman were arranged into words that have meaning clearly shows that they co ...[text shortened]... saying that the "chemical soup" from which you evolved had more intelligence than you have...

Again, you are confusing intelligence with a display of intelligence. I have intelligence (yeah, yeah, shaddup with the wise cracks at the back😛) but using that intelligence is only displaying it it is not creating it.

Also there is still no confirmation of your original statement that intelligence is required to create intelligence. How do you know this to be true?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Any form of intelligence comes from a greater source of intelligence as portrayed by Starman's post. If Starman had just used a random amount of Alphabetical letters there would have been no intelligence contained in his post. But the fact that the Alphabetical letters posted by Starman were arranged into words that have meaning clearly shows that they co ...[text shortened]... saying that the "chemical soup" from which you evolved had more intelligence than you have...

Er...no, I don't think that's what I'm saying at all. For one thing, please refer to the post I wrote that's at the end of page 4. The primordial soup didn't create intelligence, it created a very, very basic form of life, that eventually evolved, through a process of natural selection, into me.

If you really thnk that Starrman's post has it's own intelligence, try asking it to explain my point.

Originally posted by Starrman
Again, you are confusing intelligence with a display of intelligence. I have intelligence (yeah, yeah, shaddup with the wise cracks at the back😛) but using that intelligence is only displaying it it is not creating it.

Also there is ...[text shortened]... required to create intelligence. How do you know this to be true?

OK. I'll not push the intelligence part because you'll continue to disagree with me, especially if I say the the creation of the universe is an example of intelligence (God) creating intelligence (man). Fine. I'll approach it differently... Do you agree that you needed intelligence to design your post?

Originally posted by dj2becker
OK. I'll not push the intelligence part because you'll continue to disagree with me, especially if I say the the creation of the universe is an example of intelligence (God) creating intelligence (man). Fine. I'll approach it differently... Do you agree that you needed intelligence to design your post?

Yes

Originally posted by jimmyb270
Er...no, I don't think that's what I'm saying at all. For one thing, please refer to the post I wrote that's at the end of page 4. The primordial soup didn't create intelligence, it created a very, very basic form of life, that eventually evolved, through a process of natural selection, into me.

If you really thnk that Starrman's post has it's own intelligence, try asking [b]it to explain my point.[/b]

The primordial soup didn't create intelligence

So where does your intelligence come from?

...it created a very, very basic form of life, that eventually evolved, through a process of natural selection, into me.

Do you mean to say that non-life created life without the use of intelligence? Has this ever been observed?