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According to the dictionary definition of 'occult', Fundamentalist Protestants and traditionalist Catholics are occultists.
It's obvious, no?
It's obvious, no?
Originally posted by FabianFnasThat may well be the case, given obvious exceptions. However, in my experience, Fundamentalists use 'occult' as a synonym for 'evil' and would be shocked to hear God referred to as an occult power.
According to that definition, all followers of any religion are occultists. Because religions have elements of supernatural phenomena.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageWell, let's ask the occultists themselves: According to wikipedia it is by the most practicing occultists "simply the study of a deeper spiritual reality that extends beyond pure reason and the physical sciences".
That may well be the case, given obvious exceptions. However, in my experience, Fundamentalists use 'occult' as a synonym for 'evil' and would be shocked to hear God referred to as an occult power.
For example, in his advice column, Billy Graham wrote, "There are supernatural or occult powers and forces at work in the world—forces that do not come from God but are actually opposed to Him."
Originally posted by KellyJayhi Kelly,
Care to post that definition you are refering to?
Kelly
Originally posted by karoly aczelI posted the definition.
hi Kelly,
I think this is an example of where a broad defintion of a word can cover a range of meanings. Wouldn't you say? I think we all have a GENERAL idea of what 'occult' means .
I also think I know what Bosse is trying to get at. It may be a bit of a cheap shot but I think it is well within the bounds of decency of him to make it. What do you think?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageHey in my opinion it was a broad definition which is currently being subject to some change . Its 'street' definition is currently broadly understood. At least in my neck of the woods .(Brisbane,Australia)
I posted the definition.
Cheap shot?!
Originally posted by Bosse de NageThe dictionary definition you have given so far, does not really capture the full essence of the common usage of the term.
According to the dictionary definition of 'occult', Fundamentalist Protestants and traditionalist Catholics are occultists.
It's obvious, no?
Originally posted by twhiteheadUnless God is manifest, attempting to communicate with God is occultism, by definition.
Also I must ask, if someone believes in the existence of ghosts or other popular supernatural phenomenon, are they 'occultists' or must one actively wish to study or communicate with such phenomena? I know plenty of Christians who believe in the existence of ghosts, magic, and other supernatural phenomena that are not specifically part of the Christian religion. Clearly Billy Graham is no exception.
Originally posted by twhitehead============================
The dictionary definition you have given so far, does not really capture the full essence of the common usage of the term.
However, the word almost certainly has different meaning to different people. I suspect that those who call themselves 'occultists' have a very different picture from the rest of us.
Your quote from Billy Graham shows that for some t are not specifically part of the Christian religion. Clearly Billy Graham is no exception.
Originally posted by Bosse de Nage===============================
According to the dictionary definition of 'occult', Fundamentalist Protestants and traditionalist Catholics are occultists.
It's obvious, no?