23 Jan '15 18:57>
Originally posted by Shallow Blue
No. No, it isn't. It's based on the same kind of Hineininterpretierung as Shakespearian Baconism, or English Israelitism. He's reading whole volumes of meaning into a verse that was only meant to carry one verse of meaning.
[b]I too believe this statement word for word. Further comment on the Rapture to follow.
So you'd rat ...[text shortened]... cannot know when and how he will return[/i]?
That sounds like apostasy and hagiolatry to me.[/b]Your post contains a seed of doubt. It is this doubt that has caused me to take another look at dogma I had dismissed. I thought the Thessalonian verses were describing a post-Tribulation, post-second advent of Christ event. But this doubt you've included in your post, "the explicit statement of Jesus Himself that we cannot know when and how he will return" has been one reason I am looking at it again. I could never square this idea of "we cannot know when Christ will return, even Jesus himself said that no one knows except the Father" with the necessity that this event will happen at the end of the Great Tribulation, when Christ finally returns to vanquish the AntiChrist on the Mount of Olives. This event necessarily MUST happen at the end of the 42-month period of Great Tribulation following the appearance of "the abomination of desolation" in the "holy place" and seven years after the initial events of the "Beginning of Sorrows", namely the Rapture event we're talking about in this thread and the treaty between Israel and its Arab neighbors.
In this way, and at that time, we CAN know when Christ will return. We are TOLD how and when in Scripture, in relation to other events. The one thing we canNOT know is when this event, the Rapture, the event which starts off the seven-year chain of events leading up to the return of Christ, will occur. When the Rapture event happens, now we will know, because then a seven-year timeline of events begins which necessarily leads up to the return of Christ. But the Rapture will occur in a twinkling, as a thief in the night, and NO one will see it coming, even those who are waiting and expecting it. Either way, the prophecy that "no one knows the day nor hour" is correct, for we cannot know the time of the Rapture event, nor the day nor hour of the actual return to Earth of Christ, even though we may know what year, and even possibly what month, once the Rapture kicks things off.