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    aktivedanta VedaBase: Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 2.18

    antavanta ime dehā
    nityasyoktāḥ śarīriṇaḥ
    anāśino 'prameyasya
    tasmād yudhyasva bhārata
    SYNONYMS

    anta-vantaḥ — perishable; ime — all these; dehāḥ — material bodies; nityasya — eternal in existence; uktāḥ — are said; śarīriṇaḥ — of the embodied soul; anāśinaḥ — never to be destroyed; aprameyasya — immeasurable; tasmāt — therefore; yudhyasva — fight; bhārata — O descendant of Bharata.
    TRANSLATION

    The material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is sure to come to an end; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata.
    PURPORT

    The material body is perishable by nature. It may perish immediately, or it may do so after a hundred years. It is a question of time only. There is no chance of maintaining it indefinitely. But the spirit soul is so minute that it cannot even be seen by an enemy, to say nothing of being killed. As mentioned in the previous verse, it is so small that no one can have any idea how to measure its dimension. So from both viewpoints there is no cause of lamentation, because the living entity as he is cannot be killed nor can the material body be saved for any length of time or permanently protected. The minute particle of the whole spirit acquires this material body according to his work, and therefore observance of religious principles should be utilized. In the Vedānta-sūtras the living entity is qualified as light because he is part and parcel of the supreme light. As sunlight maintains the entire universe, so the light of the soul maintains this material body. As soon as the spirit soul is out of this material body, the body begins to decompose; therefore it is the spirit soul which maintains this body. The body itself is unimportant. Arjuna was advised to fight and not sacrifice the cause of religion for material, bodily considerations.

    Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 2.19

    ya enaḿ vetti hantāraḿ
    yaś cainaḿ manyate hatam
    ubhau tau na vijānīto
    nāyaḿ hanti na hanyate
    SYNONYMS

    yaḥ — anyone who; enam — this; vetti — knows; hantāram — the killer; yaḥ — anyone who; ca — also; enam — this; manyate — thinks; hatam — killed; ubhau — both; tau — they; na — never; vijānītaḥ — are in knowledge; na — never; ayam — this; hanti — kills; na — nor; hanyate — is killed.
    TRANSLATION

    Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain.
    PURPORT

    When an embodied living entity is hurt by fatal weapons, it is to be known that the living entity within the body is not killed. The spirit soul is so small that it is impossible to kill him by any material weapon, as will be evident from subsequent verses. Nor is the living entity killable, because of his spiritual constitution. What is killed, or is supposed to be killed, is the body only. This, however, does not at all encourage killing of the body. The Vedic injunction is mā hiḿsyāt sarvā bhūtāni: never commit violence to anyone. Nor does understanding that the living entity is not killed encourage animal slaughter. Killing the body of anyone without authority is abominable and is punishable by the law of the state as well as by the law of the Lord. Arjuna, however, is being engaged in killing for the principle of religion, and not whimsically.

    Chapter 2: Contents of the Gītā Summarized
    Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 2.20

    na jāyate mriyate vā kadācin
    nāyaḿ bhūtvā bhavitā vā na bhūyaḥ
    ajo nityaḥ śāśvato 'yaḿ purāṇo
    na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre
    SYNONYMS

    na — never; jāyate — takes birth; mriyate — dies; vā — either; kadācit — at any time (past, present or future); na — never; ayam — this; bhūtvā — having come into being; bhavitā — will come to be; vā — or; na — not; bhūyaḥ — or is again coming to be; ajaḥ — unborn; nityaḥ — eternal; śāśvataḥ — permanent; ayam — this; purāṇaḥ — the oldest; na — never; hanyate — is killed; hanyamāne — being killed; śarīre — the body.
    TRANSLATION

    For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.
    PURPORT

    Qualitatively, the small atomic fragmental part of the Supreme Spirit is one with the Supreme. He undergoes no changes like the body. Sometimes the soul is called the steady, or kūṭa-stha. The body is subject to six kinds of transformations. It takes its birth from the womb of the mother's body, remains for some time, grows, produces some effects, gradually dwindles, and at last vanishes into oblivion. The soul, however, does not go through such changes. The soul is not born, but, because he takes on a material body, the body takes its birth. The soul does not take birth there, and the soul does not die. Anything which has birth also has death. And because the soul has no birth, he therefore has no past, present or future. He is eternal, ever-existing, and primeval — that is, there is no trace in history of his coming into being. Under the impression of the body, we seek the history of birth, etc., of the soul. The soul does not at any time become old, as the body does. The so-called old man, therefore, feels himself to be in the same spirit as in his childhood or youth. The changes of the body do not affect the soul. The soul does not deteriorate like a tree, nor anything material. The soul has no by-product either. The by-products of the body, namely children, are also different individual souls; and, owing to the body, they appear as children of a particular man. The body develops because of the soul's presence, but the soul has neither offshoots nor change. Therefore, the soul is free from the six changes of the body.
    In the Kaṭha Upaniṣad (1.2.18) we also find a similar passage, which reads:
    na jāyate mriyate vā vipaścin
    nāyaḿ kutaścin na babhūva kaścit
    ajo nityaḥ śāśvato 'yaḿ purāṇo
    na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre
    The meaning and purport of this verse is the same as in the Bhagavad-gītā, but here in this verse there is one special word, vipaścit, which means learned or with knowledge.
    The soul is full of knowledge, or full always with consciousness. Therefore, consciousness is the symptom of the soul. Even if one does not find the soul within the heart, where he is situated, one can still understand the presence of the soul simply by the presence of consciousness. Sometimes we do not find the sun in the sky owing to clouds, or for some other reason, but the light of the sun is always there, and we are convinced that it is therefore daytime. As soon as there is a little light in the sky early in the morning, we can understand that the sun is in the sky. Similarly, since there is some consciousness in all bodies — whether man or animal — we can understand the presence of the soul. This consciousness of the soul is, however, different from the consciousness of the Supreme because the supreme consciousness is all-knowledge — past, present and future. The consciousness of the individual soul is prone to be forgetful. When he is forgetful of his real nature, he obtains education and enlightenment from the superior lessons of Kṛṣṇa. But Kṛṣṇa is not like the forgetful soul. If so, Kṛṣṇa's teachings of Bhagavad-gītā would be useless.
    There are two kinds of souls — namely the minute particle soul (aṇu-ātmā) and the Supersoul (vibhu-ātmā). This is also confirmed in the Kaṭha Upaniṣad (1.2.20) in this way:
    aṇor aṇīyān mahato mahīyān
    ātmāsya jantor nihito guhāyām
    tam akratuḥ paśyati vīta-śoko
    dhātuḥ prasādān mahimānam ātmanaḥ
    "Both the Supersoul [Paramātmā] and the atomic soul [jīvātmā] are situated on the same tree of the body within the same heart of the living being, and only one who has become free from all material desires as well as lamentations can, by the grace of the Supreme, understand the glories of the soul." Kṛṣṇa is the fountainhead of the Supersoul also, as it will be disclosed in the following chapters, and Arjuna is the atomic soul, forgetful of his real nature; therefore he requires to be enlightened by Kṛṣṇa, or by His bona fide representative (the spiritual master).

    Chapter 2: Contents of the Gītā Summarized
    Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 2.22

    vāsāḿsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya
    navāni gṛhṇāti naro 'parāṇi
    tathā śarīrāṇi vihāya jīrṇāny
    anyāni saḿyāti navāni dehī
    SYNONYMS

    vāsāḿsi — garments; jīrṇāni — old and worn out; yathā — just as; vihāya — giving up; navāni — new garments; gṛhṇāti — does accept; naraḥ — a man; aparāṇi — others; tathā — in the same way; śarīrāṇi — bodies; vihāya — giving up; jirṇāni — old and useless; anyāni — different; saḿyāti — verily accepts; navāni — new sets; dehī — the embodied.
    TRANSLATION

    As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.
    PURPORT

    Change of body by the atomic individual soul is an accepted fact. Even the modern scientists who do not believe in the existence of the soul, but at the same time cannot explain the source of energy from the heart, have to accept continuous changes of body which appear from childhood to boyhood and from boyhood to youth and again from youth to old age. From old age, the change is transferred to another body. This has already been explained in a previous verse (2.13).
    Transference of the atomic individual soul to another body is made possible by the grace of the Supersoul. The Supersoul fulfills the desire of the atomic soul as one friend fulfills the desire of another. The Vedas, like the Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad, as well as the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad, compare the soul and the Supersoul to two friendly birds sitting on the same tree. One of the birds (the individual atomic soul) is eating the fruit of the tree, and the other bird (Kṛṣṇ...
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    poppycock!
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    Originally posted by Dasa
    aktivedanta VedaBase: Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 2.18

    antavanta ime dehā
    nityasyoktāḥ śarīriṇaḥ
    anāśino 'prameyasya
    tasmād yudhyasva bhārata
    SYNONYMS

    anta-vantaḥ — perishable; ime — all these; dehāḥ — material bodies; nityasya — eternal in existence; uktāḥ — are said; śarīriṇaḥ — of the embodied soul; anāśinaḥ — never to be destroyed; aprameyasya ...[text shortened]... rds (the individual atomic soul) is eating the fruit of the tree, and the other bird (Kṛṣṇ...
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    Originally posted by Dasa
    aktivedanta VedaBase: Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 2.18

    antavanta ime dehā
    nityasyoktāḥ śarīriṇaḥ
    anāśino 'prameyasya
    tasmād yudhyasva bhārata
    SYNONYMS

    anta-vantaḥ — perishable; ime — all these; dehāḥ — material bodies; nityasya — eternal in existence; uktāḥ — are said; śarīriṇaḥ — of the embodied soul; anāśinaḥ — never to be destroyed; aprameyasya — immeas ...[text shortened]... birds (the individual atomic soul) is eating the fruit of the tree, and the other bird (Kṛṣṇ...
    Is anybody here supposed to understand half of this or is this you posting a bunch of stuff that you found on the Internet?
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    dasa, do the Vedas teach that animals also have a soul?

    Is there a finite number of souls, or do souls get created together with their physical bodies when these are formed, as when a child is born?
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    Originally posted by divegeester
    Is anybody here supposed to understand half of this or is this you posting a bunch of stuff that you found on the Internet?
    Dive, he is just quoting his scriptures, just like most Christians here are constantly doing, so let's give the guy a break.

    And its a welcome change, too. I for one would like to hear some specific detail of their religion, if only to broaden my understanding.

    Of course, it is only a matter of time before some Fundamentalist poster quotes the Bible back at him... The same old ping pong to the amusement of the atheists...

    Final edit: IMHO the world would be a better place if we simply tried to understand each other just a little bit more, as to where we are actually coming from and our various different world views.
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    15 Aug '15 18:19
    Originally posted by CalJust
    Dive, he is just quoting his scriptures, just like most Christians here are constantly doing, so let's give the guy a break.

    And its a welcome change, too. I for one would like to hear some specific detail of their religion, if only to broaden my understanding.

    Of course, it is only a matter of time before some Fundamentalist poster quotes the Bible ba ...[text shortened]... little bit more, as to where we are actually coming from and our various different world views.
    Dasa's super soul god is very similiar to the Judeo-Christian God, but with a distorted view, as do many other cult religions, like Islam.
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    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Dasa's super soul god is very similiar to the Judeo-Christian God, but with a distorted view, as do many other cult religions, like Islam.
    And Christianity, just another cult.
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    17 Aug '15 09:34
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Is anybody here supposed to understand half of this or is this you posting a bunch of stuff that you found on the Internet?
    This is the Vedas.

    I have been discussing the Vedas for 2 years.
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    17 Aug '15 09:41
    Originally posted by CalJust
    dasa, do the Vedas teach that animals also have a soul?

    Is there a finite number of souls, or do souls get created together with their physical bodies when these are formed, as when a child is born?
    dasa, could you perhaps respond to this?
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    17 Aug '15 09:471 edit
    Originally posted by CalJust
    dasa, do the Vedas teach that animals also have a soul?

    Is there a finite number of souls, or do souls get created together with their physical bodies when these are formed, as when a child is born?
    You did not read the Thread.

    Its clearly says that the soul puts on new material bodies just like putting on new cloths.

    The soul incarnates into the womb of its new mother and the baby begins to grow.

    The soul is in a spiritual sleep and is dreaming its new life.

    When the baby is born, the soul within just goes along for the ride.

    When the baby grows up and grows old and dies, the soul simply discards the rotting body and incarnates into another mothers womb ..............(according to its karma.)

    This goes on for thousands'....... if not millions of births.

    The cycle of birth and death will eventually stop..................only when the person embraces true religion and develops love for God, and then he returns back .......(Back To Godhead)

    Thus.....he shall never return to this temporary illusionary world of birth and death and disease and old age and suffering.

    There are infinite number of souls.

    Souls are not created because they are eternal.

    You are the soul.

    Remember..................you are not your disgusting rotting material body, made of pus and stool and urine and bile and mucus etc
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    17 Aug '15 12:29
    Originally posted by Dasa
    There are infinite number of souls.

    Souls are not created because they are eternal.

    You are the soul
    Thank you.

    Do animals (or only certain animals) also have a soul?

    If there are an infinite number if souls, and only a finite number of human beings (and animals, as the case may be) where are the souls that are not currently in a body? Are they in a place of waiting?
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    Dasa, here's a simple question. When you post something like your OP, do you mean it as a one-way message, or do you invite discussion?

    If the latter, could you maybe respond to my question?
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    19 Aug '15 04:11
    Originally posted by CalJust
    Thank you.

    Do animals (or only certain animals) also have a soul?

    If there are an infinite number if souls, and only a finite number of human beings (and animals, as the case may be) where are the souls that are not currently in a body? Are they in a place of waiting?
    I think you are only considering the population of this earth and the 7 billion or so people and the animals, but there are innumerable universes with innumerable galaxies and innumerable planets.

    There are also the infinite spiritual worlds, and so all together the material worlds and spiritual worlds there are infinite living entities.

    Every living thing (all the animals and bugs and viruses etc) are alive because of the presence of the individual soul.

    It is the soul that is the living principle and which animates the body to mimic life.

    The body is not alive and never is alive...............but only display's symptoms of life.

    Its an illusion on the grandness of scales................that allows everyone to believe he is this rotting body.

    Self realization means that the person wakes up from this great illusion and realizes he is in truth the ETERNAL soul within.

    A person is never ever the same again, after realising this wonderful truth.

    True religion ( In the Vedas) discusses all this in greater detail.
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    19 Aug '15 04:21
    Originally posted by CalJust
    Dasa, here's a simple question. When you post something like your OP, do you mean it as a one-way message, or do you invite discussion?

    If the latter, could you maybe respond to my question?
    I always invite and am pleased with discussion..................but from past experience almost every response I get from posters is juvenile sarcasm.

    The absolute truth in the Vedas seems to hit a nerve with those who are speculators and fabricators of falsity.

    I have no time for falsity coming from endless speculating.

    Person who worship false science and false religion are the greatest speculators............and a person can speculate for millions of years and never come to know the truth.

    Therefore I simply accept and discuss truth (as presented in true religion)...........specifically the "Bhagavad Gita As It Is" and the "Srimad Bhagavatam" by His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Srila Prubhupada.
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