The Spirit was not yet

Originally posted by divegeester
There is only ONE Lord
There is only ONE saviour
There is only ONE God
There is only ONE creator

Jesus is the author of life
Through him everything was created - he was in the Garden
He is (as you say) the saviour
He is (as you say) Lord
He is the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last
There is only ONE Alpha and Omega
We are baptised in ...[text shortened]... ting Father" and "Mighty God" - Isaiah
Jesus is "the right arm of God laid bare" - Isaiah 52:10

I am going to try to relate these comments to my OP.


The way I understand the bible is there is one God, Yahweh.
He is above all, He is the Creator, the one who had a plan from the beginning.
His plan started out with Adam and Eve. That failed. He had to wait thousands of years for the right circumstances, so as not to interfere with freedom of will, to bring forth a man(the 2nd Adam.)
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Quite a few very significant things happened after the fall of Adam. All these were related to God's eternal purpose.

Because God and His eternal purpose are so very profound he unfolded gradually His plan. And this unfolding involves some symbols, types, and pictures.

One of these is the tabernacle and the anointing oil which was to be compounded and anoint all the furniture and priests' garments of the tabernacle.

You are right that the first man was Adam. He became the failed head of the human race. But in Jesus Christ a new Head of a new race was established.

The first man Adam was made a living soul.
The last Adam became a divine life imparting Spirit to be the source and Head of a "one new man", the humanity of God's salvation and eternal purpose.

The anointing oil compound I have been speaking of symbolizes this life giving Spirit which head up entirely the new humanity derived from the second man - the last Adam.


This was Jesus, who was like the first Adam, no sin nature, had to be tempted like the first Adam. The 2nd Adam succeeded where the first one failed.
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Okay. And as fallen me were were all derived from the first man Adam, in the church the last Adam Christ imparted God-man into its constituents as He became "a life giving Spirit".

God only really sees TWO men.

Adam
Christ

The second man is God mingled with man.
And He became a divine life dispensing Spirit in resurrection to be he Head of a new divinized humanity.

Adam failed to be mingled with God when he rejected the tree of life for "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil"

But Christ came to offer again that divine and eternal life to man.
It is Himself , Who said "I am ... the life".

The compound anointing oil had its base - olive oil.
And then it had its four ingredients - myrrh, cinnamon, calamus, cassia.

The base - olive oil stands for the eternal Spirit Who is the unique God.

Four is the number representing God's creation.
The four spices speak of aspects of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Who is God incarnate as a man.

His thirty-three and one half years were compounded into the eternal Spirit so that that Spirit as not yet until Jesus was glorified. Then when He was glorified that resurrected Man became "a life giving Spirit" 91 Cor. 15:45b) as Head of a new humanity -

The last Adam - the second man Jesus Christ.

I am persistently repeating these matters because I think someone will eventually grasp what is being taught here, which I find legitimate and helpful.

But I admit some people will wonder why such a explanation should be made.
They are suspicious.

Well, some of us were suspicious the first time we heard John 3:16.

He passed all the tests and temptations with flying colors.
He had to be 100% man.
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He had to be 100% man to die.
He had to be the complete God in order to make the effectiveness of that death have eternal significance.


Because of his obedience, God highly exalted him to be a Prince, the Captain of our salvation.
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Not only is there this outward exaltation. But He is also imparted into His people as "life giving Spirit".

"When Christ our life is manifested then you also shall be manifested with Him in glory." (Col. 3:4)

" Yet a little while and the world beholds Me no longer, but you behold Me;

because I live, you also shall live." (John 14:19)

Originally posted by sonship
Does the phrase "Oneness Pentecostalism" mean anything to you ?

Originally posted by divegeester
It is not "fallacious" it is scripture which you don't seem to be familiar enough with on this topic. For example: nowhere in the Bible does it say that "God is the author of life", it says that "Christ is the author of life" - big difference in the context of what we are contending over and you position that Christ is NOT God". If Christ is the author of life, how can he not be God?

Today, I have to say something more to the Trinity doubters.

I need to talk to you about the Anointing Oil as it relates to the Triune God - the trinity - the three-one God.

I wrote about the compound ointment of Exodus 30:22-33.
To review a bit, this symbolism we believe conveys the truth that the eternal Spirit of God (a hin of olive oil) was COMPOUNDED with four spices. Four is a number signifying God's creatures. The leading of God's creatures is man.

The four living creatures in the book of Ezekiel each had the face of a lion, a calf, a man, and an eagle. Who can deny that of the four faces represented there MAN's face is the leading one? For man is created in the image of God.

So the four spices compounded with the hin of olive oil speak of the life of the man - Jesus Christ as God become a man, compounded to make the Spirit the all-inclusive Spirit. This Spirit was not YET before Jesus was glorified (John 7:39). Jesus was glorified is resurrection (Luke 24:26)

What does this all have to do with the Trinity ?

The typology of the compound anointing oil is spoken of specifically in the epistle of First John. And it is to First John we have to see how the apostle refers to this ANOINTING which actually anoints the believers with none other than - "the Father and the Son" .

The Spirit that was not yet until Jesus was glorified PAINTS, ANOINTS, SMEARS ON AND SMEARS INTO man "the Father and the Son".

Cont. below.

I will show today, Lord willing, that the ANOINTING of the reality of that typology in Exodus 30 anoints the Trinity into man. The ANOINTED ONE - the Christ paints God into man. Every crevice and every crack is painted eventually.

The rubbing of the compound oil and its four spices stand for the life giving Spirit that the last Adam became (1 Cor. 15:45). And He anoints into man "the Father and the Son". IE. the Triune God is painted into man, overlaying man, permeating man, engulfing and mingling with man to deify man. That is to compound man into God and God into man.

Young children, it is the last hour; and even as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come; whereby we know that it is the last hour. (v.18)

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out that they might be manifested that they all are not of us. (v.19)

And you have an ANOINTING from the Holy One, and all of you know. (v.20)

I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it and because no lie is of the truth. (v.21)

Who is a liar if not he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. (v.22)

Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who confesses the Son has the Father also. (v.23)

As for you, that which you heard from the beginning; let it abide in you. If that which you heard from the beginning abides in you, you will abide in the Son and in the Father. (v.24)

And this is the promise which He Himself promised us, the eternal life. (v.25)

These things I have written to you concerning those who lead you astray. (v.26)

And as for you, the ANOINTING which you have received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone teach you; but as His anointing teaches you concerning all things and is true and is not a lie, and even as it has taught you, abide in Him. (v.27)

The function of the anointing is this compound Spirit is in 1 John 2:18-27.

Just as in the typology the compound ointment anointed the tabernacle, the furniture of it, and the priests, in the new covenant all that constituents of the church must be anointed with the compound Spirit of Christ.

His function is to anoint the saved people with God, the Trinity, the humanity of Jesus, the death of Christ, the resurrection of Christ with its power, the ascension of Christ, and the building element of the city of God.

He anoints with "the Father and the Son" by teaching the believers to abide in the Son and in the Father. That is to live in the sphere and realm of the Trinity.

" ... you also will abide in the Son and in the Father" (v.24c)

"As for you, that which you heard from the beginning, let it abide in you .."

" Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who confesses the Son has the Father also.

As for you, that which you heard FROM THE BEGINNING [not four centuries after the beginning] let it abide in you.

If that which you heard from the beginning [not after the Nicene Creed was formed centuries latter] abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father." (v.23,24)

The function then of the anointing of the Holy Spirit is to inoculate the Christians against the heretical teachings which denied the Trinity.

Sure it is.

To Inoculate the Believers against
the Heretical Teachings
concerning the Person of Christ

The anointing of the compound Spirit inoculates the believers against the heretical teachings concerning the Person of Christ. Before John speaks of the anointing in 1 John 2:20, he speaks of the antichrists in verse 18 and refers to them again in verse 19. Furthermore, in verse 26 he writes to the believers “concerning those who are leading you astray.” In 1 John 4:3 John speaks of the “spirit of the antichrist.” According to the full context of this Epistle, the anointing functions to inoculate the believers against heretical teachings.

The Anointing Teaching the Believers
to Abide in the Lord

Eventually, we have the abiding in the Lord according to the teaching of the anointing that abides in us. First John 2:27 says, “The anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you; but as His anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and even as it has taught you, abide in Him.” In the next message we shall consider in more detail the anointing of the compound Spirit as seen in 1 John 2:18-27.

"Who is the liar if not he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son." (v.22)

First John 2:22 says,

“Who is the liar if not he who is denying that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, who is denying the Father and the Son.”

Verse 22 does not say that the antichrist denies Jesus and Christ. First, this verse says that the antichrist denies that Jesus is Christ. Then the verse goes on to say that antichrist denies the Father and the Son. This indicates that Jesus Christ, the Father, and the Son are all one.

A serious false teaching related to the Person of Christ and the Trinity is created by those who try to divide the Father from the Son, and the Son from the Spirit.

Some people do so because of a desire to completely systematize Jesus Christ and the Triune God. They feel the system makes more sense to teach a utter separation of Jesus Christ, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit.

The mystery of the Triune God was that teaching "in the beginning" of the Christian church. And John states that the anointing teaches the early believers to abide in the wonderful Father - Son God. This God indwells the Christians as long as the Spirit abides in them.

"And he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. and in this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He gave to us." (1 John 3:24)

“Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who confesses the Son has the Father also.” (v.23)

As for you, that which you heard from the beginning; let it abide in you. If that which you heard from the beginning abides in you, you will abide in the Son and in the Father. (v.24)

The Spirit was not yet because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Jesus had a beginning, God did not.

“In the beginning.” There are elements of John 1:1 and other phrases in the introduction of John that not only refer back in time to God’s work in the original creation, but also foreshadow the work of Christ in the new administration and the new creation. Noted Bible commentator F.F. Bruce argues for this interpretation:

It is not by accident that the Gospel begins with the same phrase as the book of Genesis. In Genesis 1:1, ‘In the beginning’ introduces the story of the old creation; here it introduces the story of the new creation. In both works of creation the agent is the Word of God. (F.F. Bruce, The Gospel of John, pp. 28 and 29).

The Racovian Catechism, one of the great doctrinal works of the Unitarian movement of the 14th and 15th centuries, states that the word “beginning” in John 1:1 refers to the beginning of the new dispensation and thus is similar to Mark 1:1, which starts, “The beginning of the Gospel about Jesus Christ.”

In the cited passage (John 1:1) wherein the Word is said to have been in the beginning, there is no reference to an antecedent eternity, without commencement; because mention is made here of a beginning, which is opposed to that eternity. But the word beginning, used absolutely, is to be understood of the subject matter under consideration. Thus, Daniel 8:1, “In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared to me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me AT THE FIRST.” John 15:27, “And ye also shall bear witness because ye have been with me FROM the beginning.” John 16:4, “These things I said not unto you AT the beginning because I was with you.” And Acts 11:15, “And as I began to speak the Holy Spirit fell on them, as on us AT the beginning.” As then the matter of which John is treating is the Gospel, or the things transacted under the Gospel, nothing else ought to be understood here beside the beginning of the Gospel; a matter clearly known to the Christians whom he addressed, namely, the advent and preaching of John the Baptist, according to the testimony of all the evangelists [i.e., Matthew, Mark, Luke and John], each of whom begins his history with the coming and preaching of the Baptist. Mark indeed (Chapter 1:1) expressly states that this was the beginning of the Gospel. In like manner, John himself employs the word beginning, placed thus absolutely, in the introduction to his First Epistle, at which beginning he uses the same term (logos) Word, as if he meant to be his own interpreter [“That which is from the beginning…concerning the Word (logos) of life.” 1 John 1:1]. (The Racovian Catechism; Reprinted by Spirit & Truth Fellowship, pp. 63 and 64).

While we do not agree with the Catechism that the only meaning of beginning in John 1:1 is the beginning of the new creation, we certainly see how the word beginning is a double entendre. In the context of the new creation, then, “the Word” is the plan or purpose according to which God is restoring His creation.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Jesus had a beginning, God did not.

“In the beginning.” There are elements of John 1:1 and other phrases in the introduction of John that not only refer back in time to God’s work in the original creation, but also foreshadow the work of Christ in the new administration and the new creation. Noted Bible commentator F.F. Bruce argues for this i ...[text shortened]... Fellowship, pp. 63 and 64).

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http://www.revisedenglishversion.com/John/chapter1/1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not one thing came into being which has come into being. (vs. 1-3) [/b]

While we do not agree with the Catechism that the only meaning of beginning in John 1:1 is the beginning of the new creation, we certainly see how the word beginning is a double entendre. In the context of the new creation, then, “the Word” is the plan or purpose according to which God is restoring His creation