Originally posted by @fmf I don't see any benefit from smudging and fudging words. Next there'll be someone telling me Muslims are Christians because they believe Jesus was sent by God.
Okay, okay...what about Christian theistic rationalist?.
(A forerunner to Deism, which differs from the latter by tacitly admitting the possibility of divine intervention and special revelation).
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke Okay, okay...what about Christian theistic rationalist?.
(A forerunner to Deism, which differs from the latter by tacitly admitting the possibility of divine intervention and special revelation).
FMF is open to the idea of God, and he admits to following the teachings of Jesus. He is borderline Christian, but seems to hate that suggestion, which is why he's fighting Christian deism.
Originally posted by @chaney3 FMF is open to the idea of God, and he admits to following the teachings of Jesus. He is borderline Christian, but seems to hate that suggestion, which is why he's fighting Christian deism.
I'm 'not open' to the idea of God (unless significant new evidence came to light) but, by and large, also follow the teachings of Jesus.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke I'm 'not open' to the idea of God (unless significant new evidence came to light) but, by and large, also follow the teachings of Jesus.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke I'm 'not open' to the idea of God (unless significant new evidence came to light) but, by and large, also follow the teachings of Jesus.
Am I a Christian non-deist? (I'm so confused).
Just so you know, for the future, Christian non deists do NOT "lop off heads".
You have been informed.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke I believe you take on board the 'micro' processes of evolution as they fit in with your religious outlook, while dismissing the 'macro' (and far more significant) processes of evolution because they don't.
Evolution is a process It doesn’t change according to someone’s beliefs it is what it is. Either there is change or not, so the discussion in diagnosing if true or not is what can shown/proven.
What you are suggesting is changing beliefs that have specific meaning and merging things that don’t go together.
Originally posted by @chaney3 In a different thread I mentioned Job, and felt a discussion of suffering would warrant its own thread.
In the book of Job, we see that God allowed vast amounts of suffering in Job's life, and it's worth noting that Job apparently did NOT deserve this suffering because he is known as righteous.
The point here is that most Christians blame ALL sufferin ...[text shortened]... od's approval, and nothing at all to do with us having brought it upon ourselves with free will.
Suffering is born of desire. Start with that as a premise 😉
Originally posted by @pudgenik to be honest, things like this happen all the time. Your child is born emotioaly autistic. He doesnt have that exterior appearance of some autistics. while in his teens, he visits a neighborhood friend. the friends uncle is watching porn. Emotionally autistic children process things diferently than normal children. He acts out what he sees on another chil ...[text shortened]... teous young man. what he was born with, was it any ones fault? his fault? Something God allowed!
Originally posted by @chaney3 FMF is open to the idea of God, and he admits to following the teachings of Jesus. He is borderline Christian, but seems to hate that suggestion, which is why he's fighting Christian deism.
I am a non-Christian. If the word "Christian" applies to me, then it is rendered meaningless.
Originally posted by @chaney3 You follow the teachings of Jesus. For some, that qualifies.
Then they are mistaken. It is tantamount to rinsing all meaning from the word and for no good purpose. For Muslims, Jesus is a divinely inspired and revered prophet who will return at 'the end times' to conquer "Satan". Are they "Christians"?
Originally posted by @chaney3 You follow the teachings of Jesus..
A few thing he said make moral sense to me because they are adjecent to or imbued by the Golden Rule. I don't "believe in Christ". I am a non-Christian.
Originally posted by @fmf Then they are mistaken. It is tantamount to rinsing all meaning from the word and for no good purpose. For Muslims, Jesus is a divinely inspired and revered prophet who will return at 'the end times' to conquer "Satan". Are they "Christians"?
You've said that you're still open to the possibility of God, plus you follow the teachings of Jesus, and agree with His sermon on the mount.
You're getting closer to something, and moving away from atheism....so it seems.
Originally posted by @chaney3 You've said that you're still open to the possibility of God, plus you follow the teachings of Jesus, and agree with His sermon on the mount.
You're getting closer to something, and moving away from atheism....so it seems.
No. I lack belief in a god or gods. If there is one (or more) then it hasn't revealed itself to humans. I am not a Christian. I am not a Muslim. I am not a deist.
16 Sep '18 19:01
The suffering of Job
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