-Removed-I don't have a version of God. Versions require many gods there is only One, you either accept the Word as is, or you have your versions of it. The scripture is clear, when He judges us it is going to be through His grace, or through His wrath. Outraging the Spirit of grace is not wise!
Hebrews 10:29
How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?
@kellyjay saidSo Jesus Christ in all his years of preaching, never preached to the many thousands that God requires perfection. Thanks for clearing that up.
I never said Jesus said that, the Kingdom of God doesn't put up with sin, evil, and wickedness. No one gets in without the righteousness of God, you cannot even see it without the Spirit of God.
That doctrine comes from your church.
-Removed-Not true it’s due to what they did, didn’t do, said, and didn’t say, even our thoughts come into play! Salvation came at great cost to Jesus Christ so when we stand before Him it will be to answer for the life He gave us.
Keep in mind He is the Lord God no matter what we say and think here.
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@kellyjay saidSalvation is about both Christ and the believer.
No, we are saved by grace through faith it is a gift from God won at a great price by our redeemer. You are acting as if our salvation is about us and not Christ.
Christ has his part, which he did.
Those who wish to share in the Kingdom of God has a part to play.
Here it is
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
(Matthew 5:3-9 KJV)
This is an example of people doing their part.
Nowhere did Jesus ever say to people that perfection is required.
Nowhere also did Jesus say that they cannot do good works without Him.
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@rajk999 saidWhat is your reading of Matthew 5:48 ("Therefore be perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect." ), which directly follows or concludes the Sermon on the Mount?
Nowhere did Jesus ever say to people that perfection is required.
Just a recommendation? And what is the general consensus on what is meant by "perfect" in that sentence?
(I have briefly skimmed some commentaries that suggest the original word might have more to do with completion, maturity, or full development than moral perfection.)
@rajk999 saidSo God is cool with sin in your Bible?
Salvation is about both Christ and the believer.
Christ has his part, which he did.
Those who wish to share in the Kingdom of God has a part to play.
Here it is
[i]Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they ...[text shortened]... that perfection is required.
Nowhere also did Jesus say that they cannot do good works without Him.
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@kellyjay saidLeaving aside the issue of compulsory love or love under duress, doesn't this definition of love imply that God is also hoping for our forgiveness, and that God has needs to be met instead of being Self-sufficient?
God commands us to love Him, and each other, that type of love is true love that isn't possessive and consumption, but is instead the kind that puts the other first, forgiving, hoping, meeting the needs.
Maybe we are the ones who have the cruel, idealistic, and unmeetable expectations of perfection from the One who Said "Behold!", Whose Fluorescent Word laid out the vast and varied Cosmos in which we little unappreciative sprouts occur.