Originally posted by josephwI already told you, the answer it totally unknown, and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying or mistaken. Discussing it more, isn't going to change that. Nor is inventing fairy tales.
We're supposed to be discussing the shape of the universe. Surely you can come up with some real knowledge about it!
Originally posted by twhiteheadProve it that nobody knows. Surely you don't think we're all dumb enough to just take your word for it. Back it up with some references. Maybe you know the names of a couple of well know astronomers that believe the same thing.
I already told you, the answer it totally unknown, and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying or mistaken. Discussing it more, isn't going to change that. Nor is inventing fairy tales.
Obviously no one knows the size of the universe, but surely there must be some actual science that has some notion of its shape.
Originally posted by twhiteheadI agree. I do not envision any way that the shape of the universe could be any other than a sphere. In 3 dimensions, anyway. I have seen drawings suggesting a bell shape, but the long axis of the bell is Time, whereas the other 3 dimensions are represented as a 2 dimensional shape (therefore a disc rather than a sphere), simply because a 4 dimensional shape cannot easily be accurately described in 3 dimensions without suppressing one dimension.
Nothing on that page mentions a disc shape.
Further, you seem to be confused about what it being talked about there. They are not talking about the 3 dimensional shape, but rather the 4 dimensional shape, which cannot genuinely be put into 3 dimensions.
And no, astronomers do not think the universe is shaped like a disc.
Sorry to have ruined your punchline.
Originally posted by josephwhttp://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/People/Is_the_Universe_finite_or_infinite_An_interview_with_Joseph_Silk
Maybe you know the names of a couple of well know astronomers that believe the same thing.
Joseph Silk:
No. We do not know whether the Universe is finite or not.
Good enough for you?
Originally posted by josephwOne thing that prevents us from seeing the true shape of the universe is the fact that during the BB era the universe was expanding around 10^22 times faster than the speed of light which is ok, it wasn't matter moving that fast but space itself, carrying matter along with it like bread on a conveyor belt at a bakery, the bread isn't moving only the conveyor belt, which is space and the bread, matter.
Why can't you guys stay on topic?
We're supposed to be discussing the shape of the universe. Surely you can come up with some real knowledge about it!
So it starts immediately slowing down that extreme expansion but even today that expansion is estimated to still be going on at about 3 times the speed of light. For that reason there are parts of the universe that we will never be able to see and that is why they say the universe is several times bigger than the 13 odd billion light years we CAN see. So it is figuring out how much faster the universe is expanding past the speed of light that gives us an idea of how big the universe is.
I don't know why they would think it a pancake, that would imply a non uniform expansion, some directions getting more expansion than others, I don't think that is born out in the CMB data with the COBE and subsequent probes that measure the temperature of the whole universe on pretty small scales and now measuring the differences in temperatures of 100,000th of a degree, showing what parts are hotter and what parts are colder which is the imprint left over when the universe cooled enough for light to be free, they say when the universe was about 300,000 years old.
Originally posted by josephwWhat's the fourth dimension?
That's right. The disc idea was my own, but a pancake is shaped much like a disc.
The mathematical equations are given in several sites that indicates that the universe is essentially flat, 15 billion light years thick and 200 across. I am only trying to say what I think they said they have discovered.
Height, width and depth. What's the fourth dimension?
Time... I thought everyone knew that. The fourth dimension is the time it takes to poach an egg shaped universe.
Originally posted by CalJustGood stuff. In one of those views the universe looks like a network of neural pathways. And in another view a supercluster bordering another one looks like a couple of downy feathers. The patterns are fascinating.
Did you at least take a peek at this site?
This was very much my comment as to "shape of the universe".
Do you have any responses to this, or are you just forging ahead with what you want to say?
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