Originally posted by sonship
its worrying that you think like that.
One atheist said "Well if you need the Bible to be good to me then by all means use your Bible."
But the point here is that there is no rational basis for good behavior. I may like to be good and feel better to be good. But I also feel better to, say, eat chocolate ice cream as opposed to van ...[text shortened]... , we might do so for awhile though we really don't know rationally why we're obligated to do so.
You keep saying that their is no rational basis for good behaviour.
This is utter and complete [expletive] nonsense.
You don't just get to assert stuff like that. You have to prove it.
Which you can't as it's not true.
Part of the problem is you have absolutely no comprehension of what rationality is or means.
Rationality has 2 parts.
The first part is a quest to hold an accurate as possible model of reality as only an accurate
model of reality can be relied upon for producing reliable predictions of reality and the consequences
of actions. And thus the more accurate the model of reality the more utility and value it has.
This is basically the reason for and value of science, and it is part of rationality.
The second part of rationality is the use of logic and reason ect, to achieve ones goals and desires
as efficiently and reliably as possible.
The two play off each other as having an accurate world view can influence what your goals should
be as part of the world view is knowledge of what best promotes wellbeing and thus what goals would
best achieve that.
Emotions are a vital part of this.
While emotions can get in the way of achieving your goals...
Reveal Hidden Content[hence the raft of techniques developed for clear thinking and achieving goals that suppress or counteract the influence emotion for which rationality is most famous]
Emotions are vital for determining what your goals should be. You can't create goals without caring about
anything.
We live in a society of other beings, and our actions impact them, and their actions impact us.
Morality is THE system by which actions are weighed up and rated to determine which best achieve
the wellbeing of the people in that society.
Rationality is THE system that builds accurate models of reality, and of determining how to achieve your
goals and of determining what your goals should be.
Behaviours that lead to lower wellbeing harm you.
Rationality tells you that this is bad, and that morality is the solution.
Rationality absolutely leads to morality. [when done right, do anything wrong and you get wrong results.]
However.
I don't need some bogey man telling me to be good or else.
I have compassion, I have empathy, I care about others... And I have rationality telling me why that's a good thing.
I don't WANT to harm others.
I do WANT to live in a fair and just and free society that promotes wellbeing.
And I, and everyone else, reaps the benefits of such a society in this one life we get.
And if we fail we suffer the consequences in this one life too.
There is no fairy tale being in the afterlife that 'judges' us.
Their is just this reality and what we do in it.