Are you about to compare your suffering with Christ’s?
Chit chatty red herrings.
Notice that Divegeester can always glibly fire off some one liners.
If I keep after every inane little one liner I can be so busy as to not accomplish much but playing whack-a-mole with each little post he aims at me.
Divegeester, your little one liner "Let's get sonship scrambling around playing whack-a-mole" cheapo posts I will place on the backburner for now.
A little army of red herrings will not cause distraction from the more substantial points here.
@sonship
'Regeneration:
This is another point where it is crucial to understand what Lee and LSM mean by regeneration and not simply assume they mean the same thing as you. The London Baptist Confession describes regeneration as:
1. Those whom God hath predestinated unto life, he is pleased in his appointed, and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ; enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God; taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them a heart of flesh; renewing their wills, and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.
2. This effectual call is of God’s free and special grace alone, not from anything at all foreseen in man, nor from any power or agency in the creature, being wholly passive therein, being dead in sins and trespasses, until being quickened and renewed by the Holy Spirit; he is thereby enabled to answer this call, and to embrace the grace offered and conveyed in it, and that by no less power than that which raised up Christ from the dead.
London Baptist Confession 1689, Chapter 10
As a consequence of the Fall, man is dead in his sin, has a heart of stone, and is in rebellion against God. So God removes the sinful heart of stone and replaces it with a heart of flesh that is no longer in rebellion. That is regeneration.
But not according to Lee:
God’s purpose is that we may obtain His own uncreated life and be transformed by this life into His image to be like Him. Even if our human life had not been corrupted by the fall of man in Genesis 3, we would still need to be regenerated. In Genesis 1 and 2, Adam was without sin, yet he was void of God’s life. Thus, God placed him before the tree of life that he might receive the life of God and be regenerated. God’s purpose in creating man is not merely to obtain a sinless man, but even more to have a God-man, one who has God’s own life and nature.
The Lord Jesus was very wise in using Nicodemus as the example of regeneration. If He had used the sinful woman in John 4 as the example, we might conclude that only sinful people need to be born again… the Lord revealed that regardless of how good we are, we still need regeneration. Regeneration is the primary need of man. Moral people, as well as immoral people, need to be regenerated. Some Christians hold the mistaken concept that people need regeneration simply because they are sinful and fallen. However, if Adam had never fallen into sin, he still would have needed regeneration because he was lacking the life of God.
…Since we are human beings, we all have human life. The question is not whether our human life is good or bad. Regardless of the kind of human life we have, as long as we do not have the divine life, we need to be regenerated. To be regenerated simply means to receive the divine life in addition to our human life. God’s eternal purpose is for man to be a vessel to contain the divine life. We are earthen vessels to contain God as life (2 Cor. 4:7). This is the true meaning of regeneration.
Faith, Regeneration, and the New Creation
Lee and LSM mean something utterly different than Christians do when they talk about regeneration. For them, it is the process by which we are deified. The entire Triune God enters into our spirit and we become a new creation. No longer human, we are now God-men.'
https://contrast2.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/the-false-gospel-of-witness-lee-and-the-living-stream-ministries/comment-page-2/
@FMF
FMF, you may mock the promises of the Bible as much as makes you feel good. You may point to me or any Christian and jeer at us
"So Jesus is flowing through YOU ?"
"So YOU are going to conformed to the image of Christ ?"
"So you think YOU are an ambassador of Christ? "
You may employ these kinds of age old accusations along with "the accuser of the brothers, who accuses them day and night" (Rev. 12;10) but the full salvation is ours. God is faithful and is able to save man to the uttermost.
You may have legitimate ground somewhat to accuses. You may appear to have something in some Christian's failure which emboldens you to accuse. But these accusations tailored to produce doubts about Christ's salvation will not stop us or God from this mingling of Himself with His people.
If you were saved it would not stop HIm from bringing you on to glory either. His faithfulness is great.
So put no confidence in your accusations, even those by which you have some valid ground to complain.
Cont. with FMF,
Again, even if you think you have legitimate basis to point to a Christian's failure, God is greater than our failures and cannot fail to carry out His full salvation.
That Apostle Paul put it well -
What then shall we say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
The answer is that no one can be against us if God is for us.
Otherwise the church would have been destroyed long ago by now.
Indeed, He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not also with Him freely give us all things?
The answer is that God will along with His Son give all things needed for the complete salvation of His redeemed to the uttermost.
Who shall bring a charge against God's chosen ones?
The answer is that no one will bring a charge separating the believer from God's salvation. That includes even charges which seem to have a basis of legitimacy. Our security is not based on our present perfection but on God's unfailing faithfulness in redemption.
Cont. with FMF,
Who shall bring a charge against God's chosen ones? It is God who justifies.
Who is he who condemns? It is Christ Jesus who died, and rather who was raised, who is also at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. (See Romans 8:31-34)
You see FMF, while we are in this long process of sanctification having been justified by God, we stand not on our own righteousness but on Christ Jesus Himself as our righteousness.
[3] You are going to be deified into a God-man after you die.
Whether I die or remain alive at His coming, whether resurrected and raptured or just raptured, I along with all others who have received His life will come into the full New Jerusalem.
To the answer to your question - Everyone who is born again cannot fail to have been fully conformed to the image of Christ as one of the many brothers to Christ the FIrstborn Son, by the time of the full New Jerusalem and the new heaven and new earth of Revelation 21 and 22.
Some arrive earlier. Some arrive latter.
All will arrive. That's the rock solid faithfulness of the Triune God and His salvation.
@sonship saidI don't believe you are in a "long process of sanctification". Nor does there seem to be one jot of evidence exhibited here on this forum that you are in a "long process of sanctification" unless you simply reciting religious dogma is what you are referring to.
You see FMF, while we are in this long process of sanctification having been justified by God, we stand not on our own righteousness but on Christ Jesus Himself as our righteousness.
Correction...
I find the song “unscriptural”
I find your apparent elevating of it to scriptural status “cultish”
I did not elevate a classic hymn or spiritual song to be Scripture itself. I argued that it certainly has a strong basis in the Bible, which it does.
Creeds, theological formulas, songs, hymns, artwork, poetry MAY be helpful. They are not on the same level as Scripture.
Creeds may be incomplete.
Songs may be pseudo scriptural or arguable.
The thousands of Christian hymns which are usually a form of poetry, may be closer, or farther from the biblical teaching.
They can still be useful though limited.
That particular song about the fountain filled with redeeming blood from the very veins of Christ, Immanuel (God with us), as it exists in the LSM hymnal is quite alright compared to the Bible's teaching.
Its basic form has been enjoyed by Christians everywhere.
I don't claim to know its exact ORIGINAL form.
The LSM hymnal indicates that liberties have been taken to correct some verses which editors thought was less than accurate Christian teaching.
@sonship saidYou like to claim that "Jesus is flowing through" you and that you are "becoming more like Jesus". Where'd the evidence of it? Your personality and integrity has been degrading these last 2-3 years. What indicators are there that you can cite that add any substance whatsoever to your frequent claims that "Jesus is flowing through" you and that you are "becoming more like Jesus"? All I see you doing is spam bombing an online message board with doctrine and recoiling and spitting chips when there is debate or dissent. Where is the evidence to back your egocentric and pretentious claims?
Again, even if you think you have legitimate basis to point to a Christian's failure, God is greater than our failures and cannot fail to carry out His full salvation.
@sonship said"Accusations"? Huh?
You may employ these kinds of age old accusations along with "the accuser of the brothers, who accuses them day and night" (Rev. 12;10) but the full salvation is ours. God is faithful and is able to save man to the uttermost.
"Age-old accusations"?
If you don't want to be "accused" of claiming that "Jesus is flowing through" you and claiming that you are "becoming more like Jesus" then I suggest you don't claim that "Jesus is flowing through" you and that you are "becoming more like Jesus".
@sonship saidDo you believe you personally are going to be "deified" into a "God-man" after you die?
To the answer to your question - Everyone who is born again cannot fail to have been fully conformed to the image of Christ as one of the many brothers to Christ the FIrstborn Son, by the time of the full New Jerusalem and the new heaven and new earth of Revelation 21 and 22.