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Originally posted by no1marauderPlease refer to my "Predestination" thread.
You do realize that the belief that God knows in advance who will be saved and the belief that God wants all mankind saved are contradictory IF anyone doesn't get saved and God is all-powerful. Something would happen against what he wants. Again though if it's all predetermined why are you wasting your time blathering about it: what people wi ...[text shortened]... aved is already decided and your raving won't change a thing. Go out and get laid or something.
Originally posted by dj2beckerI did; it's a load of rubbish. You are saying an all-powerful being WANTS something that he fails to accomplish. Therefore. either he really doesn't want it or he is powerless to accomplish it. There's no real middle ground; if you want something but obtain it is usually caused by your own actions or something outside your control. And how if God knows before who is saved and who is not and God is the one who creates it all, do you have any free will at all? It's all just silly blather.
Please refer to my "Predestination" thread.
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Originally posted by no1marauderWhat makes you think that his pre-knowledge about your choice affects your choice? Please answer this question: What makes you think that your choice does not determine your choice? In other words, how does God's pre-knowledge of the result of your choice affect your choice? Why is it not the relsult of your choice that affects God's knowledge of your choice?
I did; it's a load of rubbish. You are saying an all-powerful being WANTS something that he fails to accomplish. Therefore. either he really doesn't want it or he is powerless to accomplish it. There's no real middle ground; if you want something but obtain it is usually caused by your own actions or something outside your control. And how if ...[text shortened]... is the one who creates it all, do you have any free will at all? It's all just silly blather.
I can't see why it would be ridiculous for an all-knowing God to know beforehand who would use their "free-will" to chose Him, and who would use their "free-will" to reject Him.
Originally posted by no1marauderDo you believe that GOD is all knowing and all powerful. Or are even aware of who GOD really is? Do you or have you felt the love of GOD. or are you looking at HIM to be, the way you want HIM, to be.
You do realize that the belief that God knows in advance who will be saved and the belief that God wants all mankind saved are contradictory IF anyone doesn't get saved and God is all-powerful. Something would happen against what he wants. Again though if it's all predetermined why are you wasting your time blathering about it: what people wi ...[text shortened]... aved is already decided and your raving won't change a thing. Go out and get laid or something.
Was not the mission/purpose of CHRIST to bring Salvation to all mankind. Yes it true that GOD does know who will be saved, and those who will reject HIM. But also wants all Creation to witness that HE is a fair and a just GOD. Those that reject The Salvation that is being offered to them. Do so by their own choice. GOD also wants all mamkind and all Creation to hear what HE, has to say. There will be noone that will be able to say, that they did not have a chance to accept Salvation.
As far as my so called Blathering, If I do not follow the teachings of my GOD. I will be judged by my not being obediant. If I donot spread THE WORD OF GOD, I will be placed in that same place, as those that have or have rejected the free choice of Salvation that JESUS offers.
Originally posted by dj2beckerbecause it makes God look like a sadistic idiot. which since He isn't He must not have done it.
"I can't see why it would be ridiculous for an all-knowing God to know beforehand who would use their "free-will" to chose Him, and who would use their "free-will" to reject Him. "
I can't see why it would be ridiculous for an all-knowing God to know beforehand who would use their "free-will" to chose Him, and who would use their "free-will" to reject Him. [/b]
on the other hand if you are saying He is a sadistic idiot , go ahead and make your case.
Originally posted by dj2beckerSince God is supposedly all-powerful and Man is one of his creations, it stands to reason that Man can only do what God has left him able to do. And if God desires all Mankind saved, but according to you fundies only a tiny fraction will be, he has done an exceedingly bad design job which frustrates his wishes. This is extremely illogical. You are saying he values the free will of Man more than anything else, but that seems utterly bizarre; why would an omnipotent, omniscient God value such a minor property in a vile and depraved creature so highly? It all sounds like Man's attempts to make himself the most important thing in the universe, which is something you'd expect from mortal men, but not from an immortal, all powerful God.
What makes you think that his pre-knowledge about your choice affects your choice? Please answer this question: What makes you think that your choice does not determine your choice? In other words, how does God's pre-knowledge of the result of your choice affect your choice? Why is it not the relsult of your choice that affects God's knowledge of your ch ...[text shortened]... ould use their "free-will" to chose Him, and who would use their "free-will" to reject Him.
Originally posted by blindfaith101So only raving idiots are allowed eternal salvation?
Do you believe that GOD is all knowing and all powerful. Or are even aware of who GOD really is? Do you or have you felt the love of GOD. or are you looking at HIM to be, the way you want HIM, to be.
Was not the mission/purpose of CHRIST to bring Salvation to all mankind. Yes it true that GOD does know who will be saved, and those who will reject HI ...[text shortened]... same place, as those that have or have rejected the free choice of Salvation that JESUS offers.
Originally posted by frogstompi completely agree. well, maybe not a 'sadistic idiot' per se, but it would at least make him a callous god.
because it makes God look like a sadistic idiot.
it just doesn't make sense to me that a christian would argue for both free will and predetermination concerning the afterlife -- unless you adopt the callousness of god belief. the bible spells it out, if you are to believe it, that many scores of people will go to hell burning, wailing, gnashing, all that stuff. if god knows this beforehand, then what does that say about his concern for their eternal suffering?
DJ2, you can rectify your position by saying that god is callous, or at least in many cases, indifferent to human suffering. are you willing to claim this?
Originally posted by LemonJelloat any rate it make's God look bad.
i completely agree. well, maybe not a 'sadistic idiot' per se, but it would at least make him a callous god.
it just doesn't make sense to me that a christian would argue for both free will and predetermination concerning the afterlife -- unless you adopt the callousness of god belief. the bible spells it out, if you are to believe it, that many s ...[text shortened]... at least in many cases, indifferent to human suffering. are you willing to claim this?
i gave you a rec
Originally posted by ColettiA heaven filled with RBHILLS, blindfaiths, dj2beckers and Mr. Illogic would be a place you can keep. I'll take my eternal seperation from the "glory" of a creature who likes seeing swords stuck in babies and a bunch of sub-idiots, thank you.
That won't save you. Sorry. 😉
Originally posted by no1marauder😲 Never heard that one before.
A heaven filled with RBHILLS, blindfaiths, dj2beckers and Mr. Illogic would be a place you can keep. I'll take my eternal seperation from the "glory" of a creature who likes seeing swords stuck in babies and a bunch of sub-idiots, thank you.
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