Spirituality
27 Nov 13
27 Nov 13
Gregory S. Paul, in the Journal of Religion and Society systematically compared seventeen economically developed nations, and reached the devastating conclusion that 'higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator' correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early mortality, STD infection rates, teen preganancy and abortion in the prosperous societies.
Coincidence?
27 Nov 13
Originally posted by Pianoman1The link to STD infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion may be due to a combination of the Catholics policy against condoms, the stigma against teen sex and poorer sex education.
Gregory S. Paul, in the Journal of Religion and Society systematically compared seventeen economically developed nations, and reached the devastating conclusion that 'higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator' correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early mortality, STD infection rates, teen preganancy and abortion in the prosperous societies.
Coincidence?
The higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early mortality would need further study, but it must be remembered that there is a correlation between teen pregnancy and crime later on (by the children brought up by single teen mothers).
27 Nov 13
Originally posted by Pianoman1higher than what? a norm? 1% higher belief means 1% higher bad things, or 50%? what are the seventeen economically developed nations? are you comparing the us with luxembourg or malta? how is early mortality related to religion?
Gregory S. Paul, in the Journal of Religion and Society systematically compared seventeen economically developed nations, and reached the devastating conclusion that 'higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator' correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early mortality, STD infection rates, teen preganancy and abortion in the prosperous societies.
Coincidence?
dude, post the link, we can't discuss this with so little information.
27 Nov 13
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Originally posted by Zahlanzi
higher than what? a norm? 1% higher belief means 1% higher bad things, or 50%? what are the seventeen economically developed nations? are you comparing the us with luxembourg or malta? how is early mortality related to religion?
dude, post the link, we can't discuss this with so little information.
dude, post the link, we can't discuss this with so little information.
http://moses.creighton.edu/jrs/2005/2005-11.pdf
edit: I am not a "dude" (as far as I know)
27 Nov 13
Originally posted by Pianoman1i call everyone "dude", i am in the dude phase. next phase will be "grand poobah". stay tuned for that.dude, post the link, we can't discuss this with so little information.
http://moses.creighton.edu/jrs/2005/2005-11.pdf
edit: I am not a "dude" (as far as I know)
Originally posted by divegeesterAlthough having a methodist minister as Chairman of a bank didn't work out that well either....
Yes, and there will likely be a strong correlation between global banking fraud and atheism.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/524357/20131122/co-op-paul-flowers-drug-scandal-crystal.htm
For those not familiar with this story, this is the tale of a methodist minister with no banking experience, who had been convicted of gross indecency in the 80's, sacked from his job with a council for looking at porn on office computers, and using work computers to arrange drugs parties with rent boys.
So, what was the response to this? Did people arrange counselling to help him deal with his various addictions etc.
No, we made him Chairman of a major UK bank.
2 years after the banking crisis hit.
Which then made a disastrous acquisition which will result in an urgent refinancing, with the hedge funds calling the shots.
You couldn't make this stuff up.
27 Nov 13
Originally posted by twhiteheadAgreed. Good post.
The link to STD infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion may be due to a combination of the Catholics policy against condoms, the stigma against teen sex and poorer sex education.
The higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early mortality would need further study, but it must be remembered that there is a correlation between teen pregnancy and crime later on (by the children brought up by single teen mothers).
28 Nov 13
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Originally posted by Rank outsiderOh yes, let's find the one example of a church minister leading a bank to completely prove that the ridiculous OP premise is correct and that the global financial crisis of the last 6 years is in fact the fault of the Methodists.
Although having a methodist minister as Chairman of a bank didn't work out that well either....
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/524357/20131122/co-op-paul-flowers-drug-scandal-crystal.htm
For those not familiar with this story, this is the tale of a methodist minister with no banking experience, who had been convicted of gross indecency in the ...[text shortened]... urgent refinancing, with the hedge funds calling the shots.
You couldn't make this stuff up.
28 Nov 13
Originally posted by divegeesterMmm, not sure I quite said that.
Oh yes, let's find the one example of a church minister leading a bank to completely prove that the ridiculous OP premise is correct and that the global financial crisis of the last 6 years is in fact the fault of the Methodists.
And I was agreeing with you.
28 Nov 13
Originally posted by Pianoman1No 'coincidence'. I'm guessing he has a hidden (or not-so-hidden) agenda. That conclusion does not necessarily follow from the data. As a nation, America did not see these higher rates until there was a general 'falling away' from the church, as there has been these last 50 years (or so).
Gregory S. Paul, in the Journal of Religion and Society systematically compared seventeen economically developed nations, and reached the devastating conclusion that 'higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator' correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early mortality, STD infection rates, teen preganancy and abortion in the prosperous societies.
Coincidence?
Originally posted by divegeesterWell, I assumed your point was that there could be a correlation between the global banking crisis and atheism, but that would not mean that there was a causal link.
How were you agreeing with me?
I simply pointed out that, even if more religious faith had been present in banks (thereby reducing the atheistic correlation) this would not necessarily have prevented the banking crisis.
Obviously my example lends no support to this one way or another, but I actually believe religious faith or the absence of it would have made little or no difference to the crisis, as other factors were at play which were more important.
So, similarly, I would not accept the supposed 'devastating conclusion' (which I think you and I believe was implied) that religious faith necessarily causes greater rates of homicide etc, without considering a whole host of other factors that might be at play.
Of course, if you were saying that atheism did indeed cause the banking crisis, then I have misunderstood the point you were making.