Originally posted by sonhouseThere was no church when God created mankind, numbnuts. 🙄
That is part of it. What I am talking about is mankind thinking they can have a god modeled from themselves, which is preposterous on the face of it. You say your god modeled man after his spiritual self. Actually, it's the other way round.
That is one of the central underpinnings of your religion, great for making poor people feel special. Actually all ...[text shortened]... politically. Worked for about 1900 years too. Not so much in the 20th and 21st century though.
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Originally posted by wolfgang59Alright. I'll give it a shot, but because of the huge gulf of difference in understanding about what "God" is, I feel my answer will just be shot down...
Not a single idea from anyone?
"God" is colonizing the universe, branching out, so to speak. When we talk about 'evolution' I take it to mean all the stuff that scientists think is evolution (ie physical evolution) , BUT I also think that the physical apparatus was set up to fire up the brains of humans (eventually ,we hope 🙂 ), so that we may evolve spiritually and usher in light into this part of the universe.
So with that little blurb in mind (ie if you can get into the spirit of my general gist ) I reckon "God" created humans for understanding "God" (in a linear way ) AND also to "return home" (to Godhead, some say) , and liberate the Human race from the duality that we have created for ourselves.
(I could really go off in a lot of directions here, but for now, I will just leave that there, and if anything interests you I would be happy to try to elaborate 🙂 )
Originally posted by karoly aczelAt least part of this is circular is it not?
Alright. I'll give it a shot, but because of the huge gulf of difference in understanding about what "God" is, I feel my answer will just be shot down...
"God" is colonizing the universe, branching out, so to speak. When we talk about 'evolution' I take it to mean all the stuff that scientists think is evolution (ie physical evolution) , BUT I also ...[text shortened]... that there, and if anything interests you I would be happy to try to elaborate 🙂 )
god created Man to "liberate the Human race" ... ? and "return home" ... ?
I'm really after so kind of rational reasoning why an all powerful entity would create us.
Originally posted by wolfgang59Well then I cant help you.
At least part of this is circular is it not?
god created Man to "liberate the Human race" ... ? and "return home" ... ?
I'm really after so kind of rational reasoning why an all powerful entity would create us.
I really dont think there is an all-powerful entity we call "God" .
There may be "advanced aliens" , that could make themselves out to be a god, but there is no actual one "God" that does all this.
"God" is just a reference to the 'light of life' that we all share( amongst other things),
But to athropomorphize "It" and say things like "man was created in god's image"
is just hooey and just leads us further away from the true meaning
Originally posted by wolfgang59"circular" ?
At least part of this is circular is it not?
god created Man to "liberate the Human race" ... ? and "return home" ... ?
I'm really after so kind of rational reasoning why an all powerful entity would create us.
I'm not intending it to be that way but maybe I have missed something.
In truth, I have trouble understanding your post but I think it MAY be because we are talking about vastly differing concepts of "God" here.
Originally posted by karoly aczelI do not believe in god.
Well then I cant help you.
I really dont think there is an all-powerful entity we call "God" .
There may be "advanced aliens" , that could make themselves out to be a god, but there is no actual one "God" that does all this.
"God" is just a reference to the 'light of life' that we all share( amongst other things),
But to athropomorphize "It" ...[text shortened]... god's image"
is just hooey and just leads us further away from the true meaning
The thread is supposing that there were one. What possible reasons could it have to create Man?
The question is for atheists and all manner of theist.
Originally posted by karoly aczelI do find this circular:-
"circular" ?
I'm not intending it to be that way but maybe I have missed something.
In truth, I have trouble understanding your post but I think it MAY be because we are talking about vastly differing concepts of "God" here.
"I reckon "God" created humans for understanding "God" (in a linear way ) AND also to "return home" (to Godhead, some say) , and liberate the Human race from the duality that we have created for ourselves."
Basically you seem to be saying that god created us so that he could liberate us from our duality which he could have avoided by not creating us in the first place.
It is like inventing the hoover so you can empty the dust bag.
Originally posted by wolfgang59You mean you dont believe in a separate being that has God-like attributes etc. ?
I do not believe in god.
The thread is supposing that there were one. What possible reasons could it have to create Man?
The question is for atheists and all manner of theist.
Neither do I.
There isn't one.
The concept of a christian god is dead , Neitchze told me so 😉
Originally posted by kevcvs57Maybe it's more of a spiral ,eh ?
I do find this circular:-
"I reckon "God" created humans for understanding "God" (in a linear way ) AND also to "return home" (to Godhead, some say) , and liberate the Human race from the duality that we have created for ourselves."
Basically you seem to be saying that god created us so that he could liberate us from our duality which he could have av ...[text shortened]... us in the first place.
It is like inventing the hoover so you can empty the dust bag.
Sort of circular but neverending in either direction...
I dont know, I'm just working with words here to try to convey a basic story/idea which can be told so many different ways . In fact the 'story of "God" ' has been told prolly more than any other story, in so many different ways - or am I coloring my reality to much ?
Originally posted by karoly aczelHey maybe there is something in this circle'y spirally thing; I believe 'Dyson' use 'Cyclone' technology in their hoovers, spooky😕
Maybe it's more of a spiral ,eh ?
Sort of circular but neverending in either direction...
I dont know, I'm just working with words here to try to convey a basic story/idea which can be told so many different ways . In fact the 'story of "God" ' has been told prolly more than any other story, in so many different ways - or am I coloring my reality to much ?
Originally posted by wolfgang59I have already given the answer for theists. The atheists have no answer, because they do not have any light; they are in the dark.
I do not believe in god.
The thread is supposing that there were one. What possible reasons could it have to create Man?
The question is for atheists and all manner of theist.
Originally posted by RJHindsHere is some food for thought:
I have already given the answer for theists. The atheists have no answer, because they do not have any light; they are in the dark.
If your god is in charge of evolution and it is an ongoing process, then the idea of humanity being the crown of creation (a really anthropocentric idea) then your god is preparing the Earth for something better (it wouldn't take much).