1. Standard memberDasa
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    Once upon a time (as in a fairy tale), most of us believed that the
    food we ate was basically wholesome, nutritious and free from dangerous
    chemicals, that advertising may have been believable, and that product
    labels truly described the qualities and contents of what we fed
    ourselves and our families.

    Once upon a time, most of the world believed
    in the integrity of our heads of state, high-ranking political officials
    and local leaders. Once upon a time, we thought our children were
    getting a solid education in the public school system. Once upon a time,
    many of us believed atomic energy had "peacetime uses" that were
    perfectly safe and completely congruous with a happy and healthy
    society.

    Yet in recent times our illusions have been shattered. Repeated
    exposes of widespread consumer fraud and grand political collusion and
    bribery have all but destroyed our former innocence.

    We now know that
    through mass marketing and the media, a veil of fantasy and deception
    can be created with such unprecedented expertise that it can become
    impossible for us to distinguish between substance and simulation,
    reality and illusion.
    Today many scientists are propagating the doctrine that life
    originates from matter. However, they cannot provide proof, either
    experimentally or theoretically.

    In fact, they hold their stance
    essentially on faith, in the face of all sorts of scientific objections.
    Srila Prabhupada points out that this groundless dogma has done great
    damage to moral and spiritual standards worldwide and has thus caused
    incalculable suffering.
    Though beset by internal doubt and division, modern scientists have
    somehow managed to present a united front to the nonscientific public.
    Their behavior brings to mind the worst in political and corporatetrickery.

    For instance, despite the recent outcry over their masking the
    difficulties of maintaining safety standards at nuclear power plants,
    the scientists and the government remain committed to nuclear power and
    even make light of the fact that there is no safe way of dealing with
    radioactive waste.

    In popular works and in textbooks scientists present their account
    of the material origin of life as the only possible scientific
    conclusion. They claim that no other theory can be scientifically
    acceptable.

    And so everyone is taught that life gradually arose from
    chemicals, a "primordial soup" consisting of amino acids, proteins and
    other essential ingredients.

    Yet in their journals and private
    discussions, the same scientists acknowledge that their theory has
    grave, sometimes insuperable difficulties. For example, certain features
    of the DNA coding mechanism cast serious doubt upon the substance of
    evolutionary thought.

    The noted biologist W. H. Thorpe writes, "Thus we
    may be faced with a possibility that the origin of life, like the origin
    of the universe, becomes an impenetrable barrier to science and a block
    which resists all attempts to reduce biology to chemistry and physics."

    The highly committed evolutionist Jacques Monod has pointed out these
    same difficulties.

    While scientists remain atheists, they will always be dishonest because dishonesty goes with the job......just like dishonesty goes with the job of a car salesman. ( technology science is something eles)
  2. Standard memberRBHILL
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    18 Dec '10 05:47
    Originally posted by RBHILL
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    Hahahahaha
  4. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    18 Dec '10 10:021 edit
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    Once upon a time (as in a fairy tale), most of us believed that the
    food we ate was basically wholesome, nutritious and free from dangerous
    chemicals, that advertising may have been believable, and that product
    labels truly described the qualities and contents of what we fed
    ourselves and our families.

    Once upon a time, most of the world believed
    dishonesty goes with the job of a car salesman. ( technology science is something eles)
    I wouldn't call them dishonest. Some are naive, some misinformed.
    If they were dishonest that would imply they knew what was going on.
    Science just explains things like the formation of clouds. (example)
    Science has no conclusive explanation for the origon of life.

    The advent of quantum will eventually change everything.
    Change is inevitable.
    The Earth herself has decided to change.
    Two alternatives-ride out the "change" and ascend accordingly, or stay stuck with false beliefs.
    The "change" I refer to is a spiritual one, where we "sail away on a wave of mutilation" (Pixies), or cling to the sinking Titanic , which, as in the wolf in "The Boy who Cried Wolf", the wolf finally arrives....
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    18 Dec '10 12:59
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    Once upon a time (as in a fairy tale), most of us believed that the
    food we ate was basically wholesome, nutritious and free from dangerous
    chemicals, that advertising may have been believable, and that product
    labels truly described the qualities and contents of what we fed
    ourselves and our families.

    Once upon a time, most of the world believed ...[text shortened]... dishonesty goes with the job of a car salesman. ( technology science is something eles)
    😴
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    18 Dec '10 13:32
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    I wouldn't call them dishonest. Some are naive, some misinformed.
    If they were dishonest that would imply they knew what was going on.
    Science just explains things like the formation of clouds. (example)
    Science has no conclusive explanation for the origon of life.

    The advent of quantum will eventually change everything.
    Change is inevitable.
    ...[text shortened]... tanic , which, as in the wolf in "The Boy who Cried Wolf", the wolf finally arrives....
    Science is the enemy of fundamentalists, like Vishva, yet they use science and are quite happy with it.
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    18 Dec '10 18:022 edits
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    Once upon a time (as in a fairy tale), most of us believed that the
    food we ate was basically wholesome, nutritious and free from dangerous
    chemicals, that advertising may have been believable, and that product
    labels truly described the qualities and contents of what we fed
    ourselves and our families.

    Once upon a time, most of the world believed
    dishonesty goes with the job of a car salesman. ( technology science is something eles)
    Once upon a time (as in a fairy tale), people would cite their sources rather than engage in plagiarism.

    Those dishonest fundamentalists.

    http://www.krishnaisland.com/LCFL/Life-Comes-From-Life.html
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    18 Dec '10 19:13
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    Once upon a time (as in a fairy tale), most of us believed that the
    food we ate was basically wholesome, nutritious and free from dangerous
    chemicals, that advertising may have been believable, and that product
    labels truly described the qualities and contents of what we fed
    ourselves and our families.

    Once upon a time, most of the world believed ...[text shortened]... dishonesty goes with the job of a car salesman. ( technology science is something eles)
    “....For instance, despite the recent outcry over their masking the
    difficulties of maintaining safety standards at nuclear power plants,
    the scientists and the government remain committed to nuclear power ...”

    Much of your post is flawed but I just like to point out here that many scientists (including atheist ones) as well as some governments and many politicians (including atheist ones) even in countries that have nuclear power, rightly or wrongly, oppose nuclear power. I myself oppose all Uranium/plutonium-based reactors because I think they are just too dangerous but note I do not oppose thorium-accelerator and fission-based reactors because they can be made extremely safe.
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    18 Dec '10 20:12
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    Once upon a time (as in a fairy tale), most of us believed that the
    food we ate was basically wholesome, nutritious and free from dangerous
    chemicals, that advertising may have been believable, and that product
    labels truly described the qualities and contents of what we fed
    ourselves and our families.

    Once upon a time, most of the world believed ...[text shortened]... dishonesty goes with the job of a car salesman. ( technology science is something eles)
    anti-rec
  10. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    18 Dec '10 20:15
    Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
    “....For instance, despite the recent outcry over their masking the
    difficulties of maintaining safety standards at nuclear power plants,
    the scientists and the government remain committed to nuclear power ...”

    Much of your post is flawed but I just like to point out here that many scientists (including atheist ones) as well as some government ...[text shortened]... t oppose thorium-accelerator and fission-based reactors because they can be made extremely safe.
    I too support safe nuclear power. It would be rather stupid not to...
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    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    I too support safe nuclear power. It would be rather stupid not to...
    rec'd
  12. Standard memberDasa
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    18 Dec '10 23:08
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    I wouldn't call them dishonest. Some are naive, some misinformed.
    If they were dishonest that would imply they knew what was going on.
    Science just explains things like the formation of clouds. (example)
    Science has no conclusive explanation for the origon of life.

    The advent of quantum will eventually change everything.
    Change is inevitable.
    ...[text shortened]... tanic , which, as in the wolf in "The Boy who Cried Wolf", the wolf finally arrives....
    Yes science doesn't have any conclusive explanation to the origins of life, but that explanation is given clearly in Vedanta Sutra, but because they are dishonest, they dont accept Vedanta Sutra and spend trillions of dollars looking for the answer which they will never find.

    They will never find the answer while they remain atheistic, and so they will become parasites and spend all the tax payers money playing their silly science games and looking for the one thing that will explain life........but they reject the spiritual principle, and therefore will never find the answer to life which is their dishonesty with a capital D.
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    18 Dec '10 23:20
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    Yes science doesn't have any conclusive explanation to the origins of life, but that explanation is given clearly in Vedanta Sutra, but because they are dishonest, they dont accept Vedanta Sutra and spend trillions of dollars looking for the answer which they will never find.

    They will never find the answer while they remain atheistic, and so they will ...[text shortened]... e, and therefore will never find the answer to life which is their dishonesty with a capital D.
    And your dishonesty with a capital "D"?
  14. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    19 Dec '10 04:30
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    Yes science doesn't have any conclusive explanation to the origins of life, but that explanation is given clearly in Vedanta Sutra, but because they are dishonest, they dont accept Vedanta Sutra and spend trillions of dollars looking for the answer which they will never find.

    They will never find the answer while they remain atheistic, and so they will ...[text shortened]... e, and therefore will never find the answer to life which is their dishonesty with a capital D.
    MMMMM
    I think you need to start with a premise, (like your Vedanta Sutra), and folllow it through to its logical conclusions.

    The story of human life on this planet is a long and arduous one. Very painful too. I personally dont need to know more than that.
    I want to move forward.
    Humans have embraced a "lie" and ended up where we are . There is not much room for reflection. A wave is about to crash!
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    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    MMMMM
    I think you need to start with a premise, (like your Vedanta Sutra), and folllow it through to its logical conclusions.

    The story of human life on this planet is a long and arduous one. Very painful too. I personally dont need to know more than that.
    I want to move forward.
    Humans have embraced a "lie" and ended up where we are . There is not much room for reflection. A wave is about to crash!
    Yes a big wave is going to crash........and you cant fix all the problems of this world with a material solution, but a spiritual solution is needed

    And the spiritual solution is not from anymore false religious teachings, from the big three. (Christianity, Islam, Judaism)
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