Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou just said "I make an evaluation with my mind" and now you say you're not "trying to promulgate [your] own personal opinion". Are you saying that the "evaluation" you make in your mind is not your own?
because i have not originated the principles of my faith, in fact, I have originated
nothing in this regard, i did not author the Bible which forms the basis of my faith nor
am i trying to promulgate my own personal opinions.
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Originally posted by FMFI have said what i needed to say, my beliefs are not of my own originality, I have made
You just said "I make an evaluation with my mind" and now you say you're not "trying to promulgate [your] own personal opinion". Are you saying that the "evaluation" you make in your mind is not your own?
an evaluation of them with my mind and that makes them my own personal opinions,
how? For example, 'there is more happiness in giving than in receiving', a Biblical
principle, I evaluate it and it now becomes my personal opinion, how, please explain.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWould you call yourself a Christian?
Prior to becoming a Witness i listened to many street preachers in the city of Glasgow,
took their literature, visited their halls, Baptists, Presbyterians, Seven day Adventists,
Catholics, I asked Muslims about their faith, Hindus, Hare Krishna's, Buddhists, anyone
I could find. As of yet i have found no other religious group which embodies these
principles in their entirety.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYour opinions/beliefs/evaluations are no more or less "self-certified" [whatever it means precisely] than anyone else's, regardless of whether you agree with them or not. I sense that this "self-certified opinions" label you place on others simply means - in your mind - that, for your own subjective reasons, you disagree with them. More objectively, I think we can say that this "self-certified opinions" label you use doesn't really mean anything at all.
I have said what i needed to say, my beliefs are not of my own originality, I have made
an evaluation of them with my mind and that makes them my own personal opinions,
how? For example, 'there is more happiness in giving than in receiving', a Biblical
principle, I evaluate it and it now becomes my personal opinion, how, please explain.
Originally posted by FMFwhat a pile of sheer unadulterated obfuscation. Your opinions are self certified because
Your opinions/beliefs/evaluations are no more or less "self-certified" [whatever it means precisely] than anyone else's, regardless of whether you agree with them or not. I sense that this "self-certified opinions" label you place on others simply means - in your mind - that, for your own subjective reasons, you disagree with them. More objectively, I think we c ...[text shortened]... y that this "self-certified opinions" label you use doesn't really mean anything at all.
they originate with you!
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDo you believe that your opinion [that my opinions are "self-certified"] is also "certified" in some objective sense, and if so by whom?
what a pile of sheer unadulterated obfuscation. Your opinions are self certified because
they originate with you!
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieRight, follow me through this then -
yes, i do.
You believe your organisation fits the scriptural requirements to be called Christian, as a result of this you would label yourself a Christian. You've also stated that you believe no other religious organisation on this planet today fits the scriptural requirements to be called Christian. If no other religious organisation fits the scriptural requirements to be called Christian, then it's members can't be Christians. So it therefore logically follows that to be a Christian, ie. fit the scriptural requirements, you'd have to be a JW.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHere's an example. You once claimed that going door to door was the "equivalent of making a blood sacrifice". Was this an opinion of your own or was it, in your view, a "certified" opinion. If you think it is a "certified" opinion, who is it you think "certified" it?
For example, 'there is more happiness in giving than in receiving', a Biblical
principle, I evaluate it and it now becomes my personal opinion, how, please explain.
If a fellow Christian were to be of the opinion that it's nonsense to claim that going door to door is the "equivalent of making a blood sacrifice", would that Christian's disagreement with you be, in your view, a "self-certified opinion"?
Originally posted by Proper Knobyou should have highlighted no other religious organisation, for as I have shown,
Right, follow me through this then -
You believe your organisation fits the scriptural requirements to be called Christian, as a result of this you would label yourself a Christian. You've also stated that you believe [b]no other religious organisation on this planet today fits the scriptural requirements to be called Christian. If no other ...[text shortened]... follows that to be a Christian, ie. fit the scriptural requirements, you'd have to be a JW.[/b]
there are individuals who appear to me to demonstrate Christian faith, but whether
they fulfill all the requirements, i cannot say.
Originally posted by FMFIt has as its basis a Biblical principle, mentioned by the apostle Paul in the book of
Here's an example. You once claimed that going door to door was the "equivalent of making a blood sacrifice". Was this an opinion of your own or was it, in your view, a "certified" opinion. If you think it is a "certified" opinion, who is it you think "certified" it?
If a fellow Christian were to be of the opinion that it's nonsense to claim that going door t ...[text shortened]... t Christian's disagreement with you be, in your view, a "self-certified opinion"?
Hebrews,
(Hebrews 13:15) . . .Through him let us always offer to God a sacrifice of praise,
that is, the fruit of lips which make public declaration to his name. . .
notice the terms, sacrifice of praise and public deceleration, clearly Paul is drawing a
parallel between sacrifices that were offered in the anti typical Jewish system with
that offered by the Christian believers fruit of the lips which results in a 'sacrifice of
praise'. Indeed, the idea was known from antiquity
(Psalm 50:14) . . .Offer thanksgiving as your sacrifice to God, And pay to the Most
High your vows;
These are not my opinions, they are self evident from scripture.