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13 Aug 22
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13 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidAll views are personal perspectives and have no definitive claim on reality's truthfulness (whatever that is).
Person [personal views] based on our perspective of [Reality].
Arguing [personal views] is not addressing [Reality’s] truthfulness.
Arguing just personal views ignores the foundation of [personal views].
Personal views are all we have. Take them off the table and all that's left is silence. (Personal views, of course, grounded in science, carry more gravitas).
13 Aug 22
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou focus only on the personal relationship between reality and contemplation you are not looking at reality only others as they ponder it. You can not show someone wrong if all you ever have is a view of them, it’s only when we actually get an accurate view of what is true can you know what is right.
All views are personal perspectives and have no definitive claim on reality's truthfulness (whatever that is).
Personal views are all we have. Take them off the table and all that's left is silence. (Personal views, of course, grounded in science, carry more gravitas).
13 Aug 22
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidAll views are personal perspectives yes 🙌 but the point isn’t that we have views, that is all that is important! What is important is, how close are they with reality? If all you require to disregard a point is to say that is your point of view, that is not looking at the reasoning, it isn’t even looking at the topics! It’s simply stating an obvious point which is always true, and with that, anything be dismissed, nothing anyone could say could be taken seriously, for reasons that has nothing to do with the topics discussed.
All views are personal perspectives and have no definitive claim on reality's truthfulness (whatever that is).
Personal views are all we have. Take them off the table and all that's left is silence. (Personal views, of course, grounded in science, carry more gravitas).
@kellyjay saidWhat is important is, how close are they with reality?
All views are personal perspectives yes 🙌 but the point isn’t that we have views, that is all that is important! What is important is, how close are they with reality?
We can only share our opinions about how close our perspectives are to reality.
14 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidAll this falls squarely within the realm of subjectivity. If, for example, you DON'T think that death is the end, as I do, then so be it. You are entitled to your opinion. If you believe the "accurate view of what is true" is that your personal faith in Jesus leads to eternal life, then so be it. Again, you are entitled to your personal opinion.
You focus only on the personal relationship between reality and contemplation you are not looking at reality only others as they ponder it. You can not show someone wrong if all you ever have is a view of them, it’s only when we actually get an accurate view of what is true can you know what is right.
14 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidCould you please describe what “reality” is without expressing it as a “personal view”?
Person [personal views] based on our perspective of [Reality].
Arguing [personal views] is not addressing [Reality’s] truthfulness.
Arguing just personal views ignores the foundation of [personal views].
Thanks.
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14 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidIsn't all this just code for your own views being underpinned by reality and all other views having strayed from it?
You focus only on the personal relationship between reality and contemplation you are not looking at reality only others as they ponder it. You can not show someone wrong if all you ever have is a view of them, it’s only when we actually get an accurate view of what is true can you know what is right.
14 Aug 22
@fmf saidTherefore, you cannot know if you are right or not, ever, that as far as you are
What is important is, how close are they with reality?
We can only share our opinions about how close our perspectives are to reality.
concerned, the truth will always be elusive to you!? Do you think you will forever be
learning and never coming to knowledge, just an endless loop of speculation? If
you profess this as a truth that must include everyone, how do you know this is
true? After all, it is nothing but your opinion, your perspectives on reality, is it not?
14 Aug 22
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@fmf saidNo, you missed the point, again.
All this falls squarely within the realm of subjectivity. If, for example, you DON'T think that death is the end, as I do, then so be it. You are entitled to your opinion. If you believe the "accurate view of what is true" is that your personal faith in Jesus leads to eternal life, then so be it. Again, you are entitled to your personal opinion.
If you are looking at me, you are not looking at reality to see if what I'm saying fits
reality as it is, nothing about your assessment will be on the topic, if it's just me, the
assertions, the rationale, it will all be about me, and I'm not the topic unless you
make me the topic, and then you are not by avoidance talking about what is
being discussed even considering the truthfulness of anything.
Turning the topic to you, it's all you ever do, in my opinion of you.
If death isn't the end, my beliefs about it don't make it so, then neither would my
denial. That is the point of it and everything else; reality isn't molded to suit us; we
have nothing but opinions. Once we die, reality will be revealed one way or
another, as it does all the time when we pit our beliefs in opposition to it. From
your perspective, maybe you can fly; jumping off something high will enlighten
you to the truth if all you have to fly with is a homemade superman suit.
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14 Aug 22
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI thought this would be a fill-in-the-blanks joke book.
Isn't all this just code for your own views being underpinned by reality and all other views having strayed from it?
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidCode, do you think reality can be underpinned by our thoughts, desires, and wants?
Isn't all this just code for your own views being underpinned by reality and all other views having strayed from it?
Do you think when someone says they identified as a female who is biologically
male, does that makes them a biological female, or does it just make them a
biological male calling themselves female?
Reality is what it is, no matter my thoughts, but we live in an absolute world. We
don't get to shape reality as we see it; we don't fly off because we'd like to without
devices that allow us to, which are also limited to the physics of reality; we don't
walk through walls because we think we can phase through it. We would either
have to break them down or get stopped by the walls. We sit down on chairs, not
the thin air; do you think the reality is elusive, we don't recognize it, and we
are floating along oblivious to the world around us?