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@mike69 said
Then they must not be easily defendable by you, and your scared of looking stupid.

I don't think I "look stupid" and I am not the slightest bit "scared" that that is how I might look. What is it you think needs to be "defendable"?

@mike69 said
Take it to the PM’s then, huh?

If you want to have a private conversation with someone, then yes, that is what I suggest you do.

@mike69 said
Once we hear your honest grievances with God, I will pick you and Your beliefs apart and you know it.

I don't have any "grievances with God". I do not believe that the God figure that you describe exists. I cannot have "grievances" with it.

@fmf said
I don't have any "grievances with God". I do not believe that the God figure that you describe exists. I cannot have "grievances" with it.

You did, what happened. Not that I will get an honest or any answer from you. My adhd has been nailing me and this is getting really boring😉, have a good night.

@mike69 said
You did, what happened. Not that I will get an honest or any answer from you. My adhd has been nailing me and this is getting really boring😉,

Don't feel you need to talk to me.

I've taken the time to type a few replies to your mixture of assertions and silly disinhibited banter, and you don't appear to understand what I am saying. You, an entitled anonymous nobody without even a single in-good-faith conversation under your belt, questioning my "honesty" or courage is just pointless.

As I say, don't feel you need to talk to me.

@kellyjay said
When I say this is what I believe, that is exactly what I mean. The only way we can be wrong on any topic is if there is a right answer, to compare our beliefs to. Suggesting every thought we have can not be right or wrong because they are only an opinion, removes reality from the equation.

One must therefore equally conclude that the only way we can be right on any topic is if there is a wrong answer to compare our beliefs to. You cannot disprove anyone else's beliefs, therefore according to your logic you must be wrong in your beliefs, since you cannot be right.

That is the only 'reality' here.

@indonesia-phil said
One must therefore equally conclude that the only way we can be right on any topic is if there is a wrong answer to compare our beliefs to. You cannot disprove anyone else's beliefs, therefore according to your logic you must be wrong in your beliefs, since you cannot be right.

That is the only 'reality' here.

No, you can not find a right answer among only wrong answers; if that is your
thinking, wow. That would be like getting a multi-choice test and none of the
choices you are allowed to pick are correct. Being wrong means, we missed
the correct response; having nothing but wrong responses shows how lost we
are on that topic. You should start to contemplate reality, it doesn't contradict
itself, that is the only reality here.

@fmf said
I am very comfortable with the deductions I have made about the human condition and the universe. But, when push comes to shove, we can but speculate about supernatural beings and phenomena.

You keep saying that, but when push comes to shove, you miss the correct response
if you are wrong. We can speculate, true, but you limit knowing to just those things
we conjure up as if we can, by thinking alone, achieve knowing the truth about
supernatural beings and phenomena. Some truth requires experience, not head
knowledge alone; I can tell someone what shades of green are, but until they can
see them themselves, they can only contemplate the possibility, and no amount
of thinking about it ever will do it.

@kevin-eleven said
If you will not allow Christ the Liberator to free you from some blab that some (perhaps well-meaning) Jewish guys wrote thousands of years ago, then maybe you don't want to be free.

Maybe you feel more comfortable trying to control others -- for their own good, of course.

If all Jesus was, was just a guy, everything about Christianity would be worthless; the
world is full of just guys. The living Word of God made flesh makes Him more than
just a guy, even though while here He lived exactly as one of us, yet without sin.

@kellyjay said
You keep saying that, but when push comes to shove, you miss the correct response
if you are wrong.

The discussion comprises sharing and comparing subjective perspectives on "the correct response".

@kellyjay said
We can speculate, true, but you limit knowing to just those things
we conjure up as if we can, by thinking alone, achieve knowing the truth about
supernatural beings and phenomena.

When you talk about you "knowing the truth about supernatural beings and phenomena" and me not "knowing" it, you are merely referring to your own certainty about the veracity of the conclusions you personally draw from your speculation.

@kellyjay said
If all Jesus was, was just a guy, everything about Christianity would be worthless; the
world is full of just guys.

If "the world is full of just guys" of an ilk that propagates morally sound codes for living, then good, I say.

I cannot envisage why "everything about Christianity would be worthless" without Jesus being divine, obviously because I don't believe he was.

I perceive many of the teachings attributed to him by the writers who created Christian literature as the diametric opposite of "worthless".