Originally posted by menace71I don't believe something came from nothing, since I don't think God is
I Believe God(intelligence) did it. It's like looking at a watch you can deconstruct the watch and know how it was made. Actually there are a bunch of different models of how the universe began. The big bang or expansion is the most popular. All ideas have anomalies which can't be reconciled.
I agree on 2 points one God did it and something came from nothing. I however disagree on age and I don't dismiss science.
Manny
nothing. I don't believe there is anything about this universe to suggest it
formed itself by itself. I don't believe you can see information inside books
without an author so I don't believe all the genetic information we see was
just there because it formed itself by itself either through random mutations
without direction.
Since I do believe God to be eternal or timeless what applies to the universe
does not apply to God with respect to God's beginning.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayIf your god is timeless then it already knows the ending of our universe at the beginning, however that happened. There goes free will. It's an illusion in that case.
I don't believe something came from nothing, since I don't think God is
nothing. I don't believe there is anything about this universe to suggest it
formed itself by itself. I don't believe you can see information inside books
without an author so I don't believe all the genetic information we see was
just there because it formed itself by itself either ...[text shortened]... hat applies to the universe
does not apply to God with respect to God's beginning.
Kelly
If this god knows the outcome of everything in the universe from beginning to end, why would it need to make it in the first place? As a decoration to it's grand hall?
Originally posted by sonhouseThe only thing God not god being timeless shows is that we do not know what
If your god is timeless then it already knows the ending of our universe at the beginning, however that happened. There goes free will. It's an illusion in that case.
If this god knows the outcome of everything in the universe from beginning to end, why would it need to make it in the first place? As a decoration to it's grand hall?
is iimpossible for Him. You suggesting He is unable to give us free will is a
good argument, but it begs the question what are God's limits and our
abilities not that it cannot be done.
Kelly
Originally posted by sonhouseIt was for His pleasure according to the Holy Bible. 😏 HalleluYah !!!
If your god is timeless then it already knows the ending of our universe at the beginning, however that happened. There goes free will. It's an illusion in that case.
If this god knows the outcome of everything in the universe from beginning to end, why would it need to make it in the first place? As a decoration to it's grand hall?
Originally posted by KellyJayI don't believe that either that something came from nothing
I don't believe something came from nothing, since I don't think God is
nothing. I don't believe there is anything about this universe to suggest it
formed itself by itself. I don't believe you can see information inside books
without an author so I don't believe all the genetic information we see was
just there because it formed itself by itself either ...[text shortened]... hat applies to the universe
does not apply to God with respect to God's beginning.
Kelly
Manny
Originally posted by sonhouseHe had to make us with free will so that we could love him because God loves
If your god is timeless then it already knows the ending of our universe at the beginning, however that happened. There goes free will. It's an illusion in that case.
If this god knows the outcome of everything in the universe from beginning to end, why would it need to make it in the first place? As a decoration to it's grand hall?
and He wants man to love Him too. Love can not be forced. Many people,
maybe you incluced, hate God or the idea of God. I hope that is not the
case for you.
Originally posted by RJHindsNo, I only intensely dislike the men who made your god up as is the case with all religions. I think they are despicable empire builders with absolutely no interest in actual spiritual values, only those that further their empires.
He had to make us with free will so that we could love him because God loves
and He wants man to love Him too. Love can not be forced. Many people,
maybe you incluced, hate God or the idea of God. I hope that is not the
case for you.
Originally posted by sonhouseAnd.....This is the bent of man in a lot of cases to use religion to rule over his fellow man. So any good is clouded. Frustrating.
No, I only intensely dislike the men who made your god up as is the case with all religions. I think they are despicable empire builders with absolutely no interest in actual spiritual values, only those that further their empires.
Manny
Originally posted by sonhouseAssuming God was made up, if not I'd say your foundation is a little presumptuous.
No, I only intensely dislike the men who made your god up as is the case with all religions. I think they are despicable empire builders with absolutely no interest in actual spiritual values, only those that further their empires.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayif god is timeless, he could only be an observer. he could not interact with beings experiencing linear time.
I don't believe something came from nothing, since I don't think God is
nothing. I don't believe there is anything about this universe to suggest it
formed itself by itself. I don't believe you can see information inside books
without an author so I don't believe all the genetic information we see was
just there because it formed itself by itself either ...[text shortened]... hat applies to the universe
does not apply to God with respect to God's beginning.
Kelly
as an elaboration, as you approach the speed of light, time slows down to the point that you experience no time at all at the speed of light. going in the opposite direction, as you approach speed of zero, your time perception speeds up until you reach zero where you experience all time in an instant.
but when you experience all time in an instant, you would have to be completely still relative to everything else and could only observe.
in order for god to interact in a meaningful way with beings experiencing time, he would have to be in the same or similar time perception state.
Originally posted by KellyJayIf your god was not made up by man, I'll believe it when this god calls me out and points out the error of my ways. Till then, no man can tell me otherwise.
Assuming God was made up, if not I'd say your foundation is a little presumptuous.
Kelly
If this god or all the gods were made up by man, there are billions of duped people out there.
My personal opinion is all gods are just made up by men to either to come to terms with incomprehensible forces like earthquakes, floods, fire, lightning, thunder and so forth in the very early days of mankind or later in more modern historic times, a blatant agenda of empire building. That latter worked extremely well.