Tricky questions

Originally posted by wolfgang59
I'm good.
And I want you to worship me.

OK I have satisfied your two criteria.
(Where do I post the collection box?)

But are you good enough? I mean, like, have you created anything lately?

What makes you worthy of worship? Like, is there any reason why I should be timid around you? In what measurable way are you superior to the one and only potentate, the creator of all that exists?

C'mon wolfy, you know I'm just joking with you! 😵😲

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Theists: You believe in a god. How do you know he is good?

Atheists: If a god existed; what would be your criteria to ascertain the "goodness" of that deity?

To both: Even supposing a "good god" exists - why would you want to worship it?

Have you ever tried bundgy jumping or sky diving ?

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Theists: You believe in a god. How do you know he is good?

Atheists: If a god existed; what would be your criteria to ascertain the "goodness" of that deity?

To both: Even supposing a "good god" exists - why would you want to worship it?

A gods 'goodness' would be measured against secular moral standards just like anyone else would be.

And I wouldn't want to, and would never worship any god.

Although I might conceivably pretend to, depending on the circumstances.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Why am I excluded? Why is only these two categories asked?

Because theist and atheist are exhaustive and exclusive labels...

There is nothing else.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
I ask again why it is good to divide the world population in two (and two only) groups.

In what group do you find muslims?
In what group do you find buddhists?
In what group do you find agnostics?
In what group do I belong?

If you have a belief that a god/s exist then you are a theist.

Everyone else is an atheist.

Muslims believe in a god so they are theists.

Buddhists... may or may not [individually] believe in a god or gods and thus may be theists or
atheists depending.

Agnostics... don't claim to KNOW that a god exists, and so might be either theists or atheists...
although most that call themselves agnostics are atheists as well.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
So, if I now understand it correctly...

I was wrong when I thought that by "theists" the OP meant "those who thinks like me" and by "atheists" he meant "the the other ones, even if they think they believe in christ and stuff".

You are a theist if you believe in Kala or Krishna or both, right?
The ones believing that the sun is god, they are also theists, right?

Yes.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
|I note there are no sensible answers yet ... which is a pity as I thought
this may have sparked an interesting debate.

I think my answer on page one was a sensible one....

If I may say so.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Yes.

But why on earth is he intersested what a Kala worshipper think?

Originally posted by FabianFnas
But why on earth is he intersested what a Kala worshipper think?

Do we have any Kala worshippers here on the site??

I think he was simply trying to address everyone here on the site regardless
of their faith position.

Those that believe in a god of some-sort [theists] "How can you tell if that
god is good?"
Those that don't believe in a god [atheists] "If a god did exist how would you
determine if it was good?"

The first question only applies to people who believe in god, who are neatly and simply
encompassed by the label theist.
And the second only to those who don't believe in a god, who are most simply
identified by the label atheist.

There doesn't appear to be anything more complicated about the OP than that.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
So, if I now understand it correctly...

I was wrong when I thought that by "theists" the OP meant "those who thinks like me" and by "atheists" he meant "the the other ones, even if they think they believe in christ and stuff".

You are a theist if you believe in Kala or Krishna or both, right?
The ones believing that the sun is god, they are also theists, right?

Correct

Originally posted by josephw
But are you good enough? I mean, like, have you created anything lately?

What makes you worthy of worship? Like, is there any reason why I should be timid around you? In what measurable way are you superior to the one and only potentate, the creator of all that exists?

C'mon wolfy, you know I'm just joking with you! 😵😲

I fulfilled the criteria you gave for worship.
I haven't seen any worship yet! 😠
So there must be additional criteria I have not met.
That is all my original post is asking.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
But why on earth is he intersested what a Kala worshipper think?

A little hobby of mine.
I am interested in what makes people tick.

Aren't you?

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Theists: You believe in a god. How do you know he is good?

Atheists: If a god existed; what would be your criteria to ascertain the "goodness" of that deity?

To both: Even supposing a "good god" exists - why would you want to worship it?

Logically, if God is all powerful then he would have to be good because good still exists.

The argument of being partially good is absurd to me.

Originally posted by whodey
Logically, if God is all powerful then he would have to be good because good still exists.

The argument of being partially good is absurd to me.

The plot and characters are a product of the script, and the script is a product of its writers.

Originally posted by FMF
The plot and characters are a product of the script, and the script is a product of its writers.

The fact that evil exists does not mean it comes from God. It merely means that people are free to reject God.

We demand such freedom. Without it, we would consider our existence as nonexistence.