13 Apr 14
Originally posted by wolfgang59"You found me out - I have been talking crap" -wolfgang59 "2.15 million livestock could have safely..." New thread noted.
Theists: You believe in a god. How do you know he is good?
Atheists: If a god existed; what would be your criteria to ascertain the "goodness" of that deity?
To both: Even supposing a "good god" exists - why would you want to worship it?
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14 Apr 14
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Originally posted by wolfgang59I wouldn't care about its goodness. I'd care about its opinion of mine.🙂
Theists: You believe in a god. How do you know he is good?
Atheists: If a god existed; what would be your criteria to ascertain the "goodness" of that deity?
To both: Even supposing a "good god" exists - why would you want to worship it?
Add: I'd want to worship if that improved its opinion.
Of course I'd hope it respected pragmatism.
14 Apr 14
Originally posted by wolfgang59Why am I excluded? Why is only these two categories asked?
Theists: You believe in a god. How do you know he is good?
Atheists: If a god existed; what would be your criteria to ascertain the "goodness" of that deity?
To both: Even supposing a "good god" exists - why would you want to worship it?
Originally posted by Grampy Bobbywolfgang59's Long-winded way of saying "You found me out - I have been talking crap" was HIS parody paraphrase of YOUR waffly, evasive reply to his question. You are misquoting him. See page 6 Thread 158740.
"You found me out - I have been talking crap" -wolfgang59 "2.15 million livestock could have safely..." New thread noted.
14 Apr 14
Originally posted by wolfgang59I know God is good because it says so in the Holy Bible and I believe the Holy Bible. I want to worship God because He wants me to worship Him.
Theists: You believe in a god. How do you know he is good?
Atheists: If a god existed; what would be your criteria to ascertain the "goodness" of that deity?
To both: Even supposing a "good god" exists - why would you want to worship it?
14 Apr 14
Originally posted by RJHindsSit, good doggy!
I know God is good because it says so in the Holy Bible and I believe the Holy Bible. I want to worship God because He wants me to worship Him.
Good.
Now, bark!
Yes, yes, very good.
Play dead now, doggy.
Very good, you're a very good boy.
Now give paw.
Very good, doggy. You're a very well trained boy, aren't you?
Here's a pat on the head and a bone.
Originally posted by Great King RatWhy does a child love and obey his father?
Sit, good doggy!
Good.
Now, bark!
Yes, yes, very good.
Play dead now, doggy.
Very good, you're a very good boy.
Now give paw.
Very good, doggy. You're a very well trained boy, aren't you?
Here's a pat on the head and a bone.
Answer that and you have found the answer to the OP.
14 Apr 14
Originally posted by Suzianne1) Love =/= worship
Why does a child love and obey his father?
Answer that and you have found the answer to the OP.
2) Young children often blindly believe and obey their father. As they grow older, as their live experience grows, as they get smarter, they often begin to see that their father in fact wasn't always right. He made mistakes, he had character flaws. He may have been good, but he certainly wasn't as perfect as he once seemed.
3) Would one still love their father if said father would often threathen to torture his children for ever just because they didn't believe what he says? What if they actually saw it happen with one of their siblings? He made a mistake and subsequently his father has been torturing him ever since day after day in the most horrible fashion. You think the remaining children would still love him or even worship him unconditionally? Maybe you would, but I'd hope I'd be better than that.
14 Apr 14
Originally posted by wolfgang59Atheists: If a god existed; what would be your criteria to ascertain the "goodness" of that deity?
Theists: You believe in a god. How do you know he is good?
Atheists: If a god existed; what would be your criteria to ascertain the "goodness" of that deity?
To both: Even supposing a "good god" exists - why would you want to worship it?
Probably the same criteria I'd use to determine if a human is good. Which I suppose ultimately boils down to "Treat someone as you would like to be treated. Accept each others differences. Don't hurt others." You know, the basic stuff.
To both: Even supposing a "good god" exists - why would you want to worship it?
Depending on the meaning of the word "worship" of course, but if it means what I think it means, then I wouldn't want to worship anyone. I wonder if with "worshipping" comes the danger of losing the ability of being critical of whatever you're worshipping. That would be a good reason not to start worshipping anything.
14 Apr 14
Originally posted by Great King RatYour theory is flawed.
1) Love =/= worship
2) Young children often blindly believe and obey their father. As they grow older, as their live experience grows, as they get smarter, they often begin to see that their father in fact wasn't always right. He made mistakes, he had character flaws. He may have been good, but he certainly wasn't as perfect as he once seemed.
3 ...[text shortened]... him or even worship him unconditionally? Maybe you would, but I'd hope I'd be better than that.
That's not what God is about.
14 Apr 14
Originally posted by SuzianneYou began with the father analogy. I ran with it and showed you the mistakes in your line of thinking. You're more than welcome to refute what I said in my post, but you're going have to say a bit more than "Your theory is flawed. That's not what God is about."
Your theory is flawed.
That's not what God is about.
14 Apr 14
Originally posted by RJHindsNow you go with the dumbnuts rhetorics again. When are you going to learn that this is evilution rhetorics and nothing more.
Numbnuts: How do you know God is good? And why would you want to worship Him?
I know that god is evil according to the bible. Read and learn.
And why would I want to worship your evil god?
Did you make a mistake by posting this? Or did you just show some of your Alzheimer symtoms, again?
14 Apr 14
Originally posted by RJHindsYes, you do. You don't think for yourself. If it said in the bible was flat like a pizza, then you would believe that.
I know God is good because it says so in the Holy Bible and I believe the Holy Bible. I want to worship God because He wants me to worship Him.