1. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    Theists: You believe in a god. How do you know he is good?

    Atheists: If a god existed; what would be your criteria to ascertain the "goodness" of that deity?

    To both: Even supposing a "good god" exists - why would you want to worship it?
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    13 Apr '14 23:54
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Theists: You believe in a god. How do you know he is good?

    Atheists: If a god existed; what would be your criteria to ascertain the "goodness" of that deity?

    To both: Even supposing a "good god" exists - why would you want to worship it?
    "You found me out - I have been talking crap" -wolfgang59 "2.15 million livestock could have safely..." New thread noted.
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    14 Apr '14 00:183 edits
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Theists: You believe in a god. How do you know he is good?

    Atheists: If a god existed; what would be your criteria to ascertain the "goodness" of that deity?

    To both: Even supposing a "good god" exists - why would you want to worship it?
    I wouldn't care about its goodness. I'd care about its opinion of mine.🙂

    Add: I'd want to worship if that improved its opinion.

    Of course I'd hope it respected pragmatism.
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    14 Apr '14 04:35
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Theists: You believe in a god. How do you know he is good?

    Atheists: If a god existed; what would be your criteria to ascertain the "goodness" of that deity?

    To both: Even supposing a "good god" exists - why would you want to worship it?
    Why am I excluded? Why is only these two categories asked?
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    14 Apr '14 04:42
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Why am I excluded? Why is only these two categories asked?
    Numbnuts: How do you know God is good? And why would you want to worship Him?
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    14 Apr '14 04:571 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    "You found me out - I have been talking crap" -wolfgang59 "2.15 million livestock could have safely..." New thread noted.
    wolfgang59's Long-winded way of saying "You found me out - I have been talking crap" was HIS parody paraphrase of YOUR waffly, evasive reply to his question. You are misquoting him. See page 6 Thread 158740.
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    14 Apr '14 06:27
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Theists: You believe in a god. How do you know he is good?

    Atheists: If a god existed; what would be your criteria to ascertain the "goodness" of that deity?

    To both: Even supposing a "good god" exists - why would you want to worship it?
    I know God is good because it says so in the Holy Bible and I believe the Holy Bible. I want to worship God because He wants me to worship Him.
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    14 Apr '14 06:37
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I know God is good because it says so in the Holy Bible and I believe the Holy Bible. I want to worship God because He wants me to worship Him.
    Sit, good doggy!

    Good.

    Now, bark!

    Yes, yes, very good.

    Play dead now, doggy.

    Very good, you're a very good boy.

    Now give paw.

    Very good, doggy. You're a very well trained boy, aren't you?

    Here's a pat on the head and a bone.
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    14 Apr '14 06:57
    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    Sit, good doggy!

    Good.

    Now, bark!

    Yes, yes, very good.

    Play dead now, doggy.

    Very good, you're a very good boy.

    Now give paw.

    Very good, doggy. You're a very well trained boy, aren't you?

    Here's a pat on the head and a bone.
    Why does a child love and obey his father?

    Answer that and you have found the answer to the OP.
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    14 Apr '14 07:10
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Why does a child love and obey his father?

    Answer that and you have found the answer to the OP.
    1) Love =/= worship

    2) Young children often blindly believe and obey their father. As they grow older, as their live experience grows, as they get smarter, they often begin to see that their father in fact wasn't always right. He made mistakes, he had character flaws. He may have been good, but he certainly wasn't as perfect as he once seemed.

    3) Would one still love their father if said father would often threathen to torture his children for ever just because they didn't believe what he says? What if they actually saw it happen with one of their siblings? He made a mistake and subsequently his father has been torturing him ever since day after day in the most horrible fashion. You think the remaining children would still love him or even worship him unconditionally? Maybe you would, but I'd hope I'd be better than that.
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    14 Apr '14 07:20
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Theists: You believe in a god. How do you know he is good?

    Atheists: If a god existed; what would be your criteria to ascertain the "goodness" of that deity?

    To both: Even supposing a "good god" exists - why would you want to worship it?
    Atheists: If a god existed; what would be your criteria to ascertain the "goodness" of that deity?

    Probably the same criteria I'd use to determine if a human is good. Which I suppose ultimately boils down to "Treat someone as you would like to be treated. Accept each others differences. Don't hurt others." You know, the basic stuff.

    To both: Even supposing a "good god" exists - why would you want to worship it?

    Depending on the meaning of the word "worship" of course, but if it means what I think it means, then I wouldn't want to worship anyone. I wonder if with "worshipping" comes the danger of losing the ability of being critical of whatever you're worshipping. That would be a good reason not to start worshipping anything.
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    14 Apr '14 07:24
    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    1) Love =/= worship

    2) Young children often blindly believe and obey their father. As they grow older, as their live experience grows, as they get smarter, they often begin to see that their father in fact wasn't always right. He made mistakes, he had character flaws. He may have been good, but he certainly wasn't as perfect as he once seemed.

    3 ...[text shortened]... him or even worship him unconditionally? Maybe you would, but I'd hope I'd be better than that.
    Your theory is flawed.

    That's not what God is about.
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    14 Apr '14 07:28
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Your theory is flawed.

    That's not what God is about.
    You began with the father analogy. I ran with it and showed you the mistakes in your line of thinking. You're more than welcome to refute what I said in my post, but you're going have to say a bit more than "Your theory is flawed. That's not what God is about."
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    14 Apr '14 07:46
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Numbnuts: How do you know God is good? And why would you want to worship Him?
    Now you go with the dumbnuts rhetorics again. When are you going to learn that this is evilution rhetorics and nothing more.

    I know that god is evil according to the bible. Read and learn.
    And why would I want to worship your evil god?

    Did you make a mistake by posting this? Or did you just show some of your Alzheimer symtoms, again?
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    14 Apr '14 07:47
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I know God is good because it says so in the Holy Bible and I believe the Holy Bible. I want to worship God because He wants me to worship Him.
    Yes, you do. You don't think for yourself. If it said in the bible was flat like a pizza, then you would believe that.
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