@chaney3 saidGo and have a lie-down, chaney3. We've arrived at the short little angry posts stage. Log off and get some kip. Come back tomorrow.
My goodness, this "subjective" and "objective" nonsense is horseshiiit!!!
Feed the poor dive.
Clothe people dive.
Care for others dive.
Visit people in hospitals dive.
Sheeesh, have some priorities.
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@fmf saidThe heavens declare the glory of God. There is no need to imagine the heavens. All you have to do is open your eyes.
It means you are speculating about supernatural things and the supposed "consequences" of things you cannot demonstrate are "true" other than in your imagination. This makes all your assertions subjective and conjecture.
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@fmf saidThe Bible for example is not imagined. It is there for anyone to read and anyone can decide for themselves whether it provides compelling evidence of the supernatural or not.
It means you are speculating about supernatural things and the supposed "consequences" of things you cannot demonstrate are "true" other than in your imagination. This makes all your assertions subjective and conjecture.
@dj2becker saidThis is a belief and a personal opinion that almost all theists have in common.
The heavens declare the glory of God. There is no need to imagine the heavens. All you have to do is open your eyes.
@dj2becker saidIf you feel that the Bible provides compelling evidence of the supernatural, then having and sharing that personal opinion is your prerogative.
The Bible for example is not imagined. It is there for anyone to read and anyone can decide for themselves whether it provides compelling evidence of the supernatural or not.
@dj2becker saidLets think about Christians and non-Christians for a moment. If God is real, if the gospel is real, than God has reached out to man and Jesus Christ is our savior. Anyone who has accepted God into their lives now has the Spirit of God within them, and they are walking out their salvation in the Lord.
You can only conclusively say the statement ‘there is a God’ is not an objective truth if you know for a fact there is no God. But you cannot know that as a fact. So it would be more accurate to say you believe ‘there is no God’ is an not an objective truth.
This means for those that claimed they used to be Christians have but two and only two possibilities of making that claim. Either they never knew the Lord and they left what was never real in their lives, or they did know the Lord and like Judas walked away betraying Jesus. Which means if they are happy with what the world, the flesh, the devil offered them to walk away, they are like Judas walking away from the priests and the scribes singing "I'm in the money." while jingling the 30 pieces of silver in their pockets.
@kellyjay saidI don't think I have "betrayed" Jesus, obviously. I think Jesus is stone dead and has been for 2,000 years. This is unaffected by how "real" and how significant my Christian faith was to me in the past.
This means for those that claimed they used to be Christians have but two and only two possibilities of making that claim. Either they never knew the Lord and they left what was never real in their lives, or they did know the Lord and like Judas walked away betraying Jesus.
But you are undoubtedly entitled to your personal opinion about who Jesus was. You are also perfectly entitled to feel that Jesus is as real and as significant as you want.
The fact that your beliefs - and my beliefs - are subjective does not really affect how honest and earnest we both are about how we perceive the reality around us.