Truthfulness

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
what fmf did is called blogging. he stated an opinion, unsubstantiated by examples, explanations, proofs. i asked for some. if he is willing to engage in a debate, it's ok. if his arguments are better than mine i will concede defeat. or will adjust my position.

Debate what? You've just admitted you use derisive tones, that you openly mock him and post nonsense for as long as people still continue to pay attention to him, that you are maybe immature, that you fail to see the reason to be civil with him, that you are being childish and will respond "in kind" to Dasa, that you choose to troll dasa's threads just as he trolls threads... these are your own words. You've confessed to the things I have fronted you with. Debate what?

Originally posted by vistesd
Please define for us the distinction between “untruthfulness” and “error”, as you understand those terms.

Error is presenting something as true that is not true.

Untruthfulness is presenting error knowing it to be error.....or not knowing it to be true and still presenting it.

Originally posted by Dasa
Error is presenting something as true that is not true.

Untruthfulness is presenting error knowing it to be error.....or not knowing it to be true and still presenting it.

So 'error' is anything you don't agree with?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
So 'error' is anything you don't agree with?

Why do you twist peoples words to say something
they did not say? Dasa statement was very clear to me.
He did not say anything about agreeing or disagreeing
and you know it.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Why do you twist peoples words to say something
they did not say? Dasa statement was very clear to me.
He did not say anything about agreeing or disagreeing
and you know it.

Dasa says it is a "universal truth" that we are reincarnated on other planets and that you cannot be on the true spiritual path while continuing to have sex with your wife or husband after children are born, and that not submitting to Vedic "authority" is dishonesty. This has absolutely everything to do with Dasa's opinion, with agreeing or disagreeing with him, and little or nothing to do with "truth" or "error". However, seeing as your mind map is very similar to Dasa's, it comes as no surprise that you are accusing Proper Knob of "twisting words".

Originally posted by FMF
Dasa says it is a "universal truth" that we are reincarnated on other planets and that you cannot be on the true spiritual path while continuing to have sex with your wife or husband after children are born, and that not submitting to Vedic "authority" is dishonesty. This has absolutely everything to do with Dasa's opinion, with agreeing or disagreeing with him, ...[text shortened]... sa's, it comes as no surprise that you are accusing Proper Knob of "twisting words".

I certainly do not believe that, but I did not see any such statement
in his post. He was simply defining "untruthfulness".

Originally posted by RJHinds
I certainly do not believe that, but I did not see any such statement
in his post. He was simply defining "untruthfulness".

So if Dasa says something is "untrue" or "error" he is right as long as we don't mention what it is that he is saying is "untrue" and "error"?

Originally posted by FMF
So if Dasa says something is "untrue" or "error" he is right as long as we don't mention what it is that he is saying is "untrue" and "error"?

If you disagree with his definition of untruthfulness, then
give your definition, so we can compare the two.

Originally posted by RJHinds
If you disagree with his definition of untruthfulness, then
give your definition, so we can compare the two.

The things Dasa is referring to with his 'definition' of "truth" are, in fact, his opinions. His definition holds only until we see what he uses it to refer to. Therefore, Proper Knob was not "twisting words". He was simply pointing this out. You also need to use the terminology "truth" to refer to your opinions, assertions and superstitions, so it's understandable that you have some common cause with Dasa here.

Originally posted by FMF
The things Dasa is referring to with his 'definition' of "truth" are, in fact, his opinions. His definition holds only until we see what he uses it to refer to. Therefore, Proper Knob was not "twisting words". He was simply pointing this out. You also need to use the terminology "truth" to refer to your opinions, assertions and superstitions, so it's understandable that you have some common cause with Dasa here.

The idea of these forums is to state your opinions, isn't it?
But I think it would be more benefical if we were all truthful.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The idea of these forums is to state your opinions, isn't it?

Yes but Dasa asserts that his opinions are "truth" and then insults everyone who disagrees with his opinions as being "dishonest" and "untruthful". Dasa is notorious for misusing words. Proper Knob call it correctly.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I think it would be more benefical if we were all truthful.

Are you being truthful when you claim that someone whose belief system is different from yours needs psychiatric treatment (or whatever your attempted insult was)? Is Dasa being truthful when he claims that someone whose belief system is different from his is being dishonest or lying or fabricating or committing child abuse? Do you think you and him insulting people, based on you declaring your own opinions to be "truths", is beneficial in some way?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Why do you twist peoples words to say something
they did not say? Dasa statement was very clear to me.
He did not say anything about agreeing or disagreeing
and you know it.

I'm hardly twisting words.

Truth to Dasa is whatever he believes, error to him is presenting something which he doesn't believe. So error is presenting something he doesn't accept as he believes everything he states is the truth.

Originally posted by FMF
Are you being truthful when you claim that someone whose belief system is different from yours needs psychiatric treatment (or whatever your attempted insult was)? Is Dasa being truthful when he claims that someone whose belief system is different from his is being dishonest or lying or fabricating or committing child abuse? Do you think you and him insulting people, based on you declaring your own opinions to be "truths", is beneficial in some way?

I understand how some people can see my remarks as an attempt
to insult. But sometimes there is a need to be blunt with a person and
tell them like is it. They don't respond to niceties. The truth cuts
like a two-edged sword sometimes.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I'm hardly twisting words.

Truth to Dasa is whatever he believes, error to him is presenting something which he doesn't believe. So error is presenting something he doesn't accept as he believes everything he states is the truth.

I'm sorry. But It appeared that way to me.