Originally posted by daniel58Just remember those blocks weighed anywhere from 80-200 tons.
Probably God or their version of Him, maybe they thought the dead, were supposed to see them, they were built by slaves, using smooth logs to move the huge parts, probably using some kind of step/pulley system to get them up there or took it up in smaller parts.
Apparently even todays technology would be stretching it to lift a 200 ton block.
Originally posted by daniel58apparently the ramps would have been bigger in volume than the pyramids themselves. Since there is no real evidence to suggest they did use ramps , the ramp theory remains just that. A theory.
Maybe they used ramps.
I'm not dismissing the ramp theory but I've yet to see a plausible ramp theory that would work in real life, with real people,etc.
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Originally posted by karoly aczelIt is not rational for you to conclude that aliens were involved in building the pyramids.
apparently the ramps would have been bigger in volume than the pyramids themselves. Since there is no real evidence to suggest they did use ramps , the ramp theory remains just that. A theory.
I'm not dismissing the ramp theory but I've yet to see a plausible ramp theory that would work in real life, with real people,etc.
Originally posted by Lord SharkI'll say it again, I'm not necessarily saying aliens built them, I was just saying that there has not been a satisfactory explanation as to how they were built with the technology of the time.
It is not rational for you to conclude that aliens were involved in building the pyramids.
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Originally posted by karoly aczelSo if I go back through this thread (titled 'ufos and aliens'😉, you won't have said or implied that aliens were involved because you have been unable to find a description of how they were built that satisfies you?
I'll say it again, I'm not necessarily saying aliens built them, I was just saying that there has not been a satisfactory explanation as to how they were built with the technology of the time.
Originally posted by Lord Sharkok,let me be completely honest with you. i may have implied that the pyramids were built by aliens but i have also said that I was completely open to other suggestions.
So if I go back through this thread (titled 'ufos and aliens'😉, you won't have said or implied that aliens were involved because you have been unable to find a description of how they were built that satisfies you?
In my research I have come across information that has implied that the pyramids may have been built with alien technology. i repeat, I'm not saying this was definatly the case , and am certainly not going to be dogmatic about this, but you must admit there is still doubt as to how they were built. Or do you support the ramp theory? (if you do thats cool)
What about the Nazca lines? Any ideas?
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Originally posted by karoly aczelOriginally posted by karoly aczel
ok,let me be completely honest with you. i may have implied that the pyramids were built by aliens but i have also said that I was completely open to other suggestions.
In my research I have come across information that has implied that the pyramids may have been built with alien technology. i repeat, I'm not saying this was definatly the case , and a ...[text shortened]... you support the ramp theory? (if you do thats cool)
What about the Nazca lines? Any ideas?
ok,let me be completely honest with you. i may have implied that the pyramids were built by aliens but i have also said that I was completely open to other suggestions.
Ok, here's my suggestion, the Egyptians built them with the technology and human resources available to them at the time.
In my research I have come across information that has implied that the pyramids may have been built with alien technology. i repeat, I'm not saying this was definatly the case , and am certainly not going to be dogmatic about this, but you must admit there is still doubt as to how they were built. Or do you support the ramp theory? (if you do thats cool)
My contention throughout this thread is that the methodology of your 'research' is flawed. I have no particular inclination to support any specific theory of how they were built, ramps or cranes or rollers. I leave that to the Egyptologists to argue over. You say there is some doubt as to exactly how they were done as if that in itself counts as evidence against conventional explanations. It doesn't. It is exactly what we would expect if a conventional explanation is true, because they were done so long ago in a society that did not leave the kind of detailed records that would settle the issue.
However, Egyptologists have come up with explanations that are orders of magnitude more plausible than alien intervention. To take your ramp suggestion as an example here is a quote:
"Following the reign of the mighty Pharaoh Zoser came an ephemeral king named Sekhem-khet. Like his predecessor, Sekhem-khet resolved to erect a great step pyramid for himself at Saqqara. Unfortunately, Sekhem-khet's reign was brief (six years), and his pyramid wasn't finished. The site was abandoned and gradually covered by the desert. It was not until 1951 that archeologist Mohammed Zakaria Ghoneim found Sekhem-khet's "lost" pyramid. As Ghoneim cleared the site he discovered, to his delight, that long ramps of packed earth and rock were still in place along the sides of the unfinished tomb! Here, as plain as could be, was at least one version of how the Egyptians built their pyramids."
from: http://www.parascope.com/en/pyramids.htm
What about the Nazca lines? Any ideas?
How about that they were done by people ages ago?
Originally posted by Lord Sharkso why ,IYHO were the Nazca lines built? If they did not have any flying machines to view them why would they make such pictures ?
Originally posted by karoly aczel
[b]ok,let me be completely honest with you. i may have implied that the pyramids were built by aliens but i have also said that I was completely open to other suggestions.
Ok, here's my suggestion, the Egyptians built them with the technology and human resources available to them at the time.
In my r ...[text shortened]... t the Nazca lines? Any ideas?
How about that they were done by people ages ago?[/b]
perhaps they were a reference point when they were dreaming/astral-travelling?
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Originally posted by Lord SharkI've also come across evidence to suggest that the Egyptologists are lying.
Originally posted by karoly aczel
[b]ok,let me be completely honest with you. i may have implied that the pyramids were built by aliens but i have also said that I was completely open to other suggestions.
Ok, here's my suggestion, the Egyptians built them with the technology and human resources available to them at the time.
In my r t the Nazca lines? Any ideas?
How about that they were done by people ages ago?[/b]
Whats this evidence you ask?
For someone so hell-bent on declaring that the Egyptologists' explanations are 'orders of magnitude' more plausible than alien intervention you seem to sit on the fence when it comes to offering an explanation yourself.
And since you have said that the explanations are best left to 'Egyptologists' I really dont see why you are concerning yourself with this at all. You are not offering an explanation just refuting mine and suggesting it is best left to others.
Originally posted by Lord SharkAs I have said there is no clear cut explanation yet of exactly how the pyramids were built. And since my research has hit a dead end I will concede the point for now .
Originally posted by karoly aczel
[b]ok,let me be completely honest with you. i may have implied that the pyramids were built by aliens but i have also said that I was completely open to other suggestions.
Ok, here's my suggestion, the Egyptians built them with the technology and human resources available to them at the time.
In my r ...[text shortened]... t the Nazca lines? Any ideas?
How about that they were done by people ages ago?[/b]
I will ask you this though: do you believe the pyramids were built solely for the purpose of burying pharoahs? Or do you think thay had other uses?
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Originally posted by karoly aczel
so why ,IYHO were the Nazca lines built? If they did not have any flying machines to view them why would they make such pictures ?
perhaps they were a reference point when they were dreaming/astral-travelling?
I don't know why they were made. But I do know that humans are predisposed to form concepts of supernatural agents. Hence it is not incompatible with what we know about human psychology that people might build things despite the fact that they have no way of reaching a vantage point from which to view them.
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Originally posted by karoly aczelI've also come across evidence to suggest that the Egyptologists are lying.
I've also come across evidence to suggest that the Egyptologists are lying.
Whats this evidence you ask?
For someone so hell-bent on declaring that the Egyptologists' explanations are 'orders of magnitude' more plausible than alien intervention you seem to sit on the fence when it comes to offering an explanation yourself.
And since you have sai ...[text shortened]... e not offering an explanation just refuting mine and suggesting it is best left to others.
Whats this evidence you ask?
What's this evidence? I suppose you'll claim clairvoyance now 🙂
For someone so hell-bent
Excuse me? do you mean by that somebody who makes a rational decision based on the available evidence? Multiple sources in peer reviewed publications do make your idea that the Egyptologists are lying look like an irrational conspiracy theory you know. Almost as if you are 'hell bent' on denying any evidence that disconfirms your pet theory.
And since you have said that the explanations are best left to 'Egyptologists' I really dont see why you are concerning yourself with this at all.
It is very simple. A few moments research reveals that by far the most plausible class of theories involves the Egyptians making the pyramids with the technology of the time. Any doubt is about the details. Since I'm not qualified to assess the arguments over such details, I 'sit on the fence'. Which is a reasonable stance as far as I can see.
You are not offering an explanation just refuting mine and suggesting it is best left to others.
Except I took one alternative that you had mentioned, namely ramps, and within a matter of seconds found some evidence for that theory. The best you can do in response is to make another wild unevidenced claim, that the Egyptologists are lying.
Now in your next post you say you concede the point. But I doubt it will last because the evidence suggests that your irrational and flawed modes of thinking are not amenable to alteration by you in the light of contrary evidence.