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Originally posted by LemonJello
Let me a pose a very simple (yes, no) question to you:

Is the acceptance of Jesus as my personal savior a necessary condition for my salvation?

[b]Reread my post within the context of my free-will argument.

Better yet, why don't you just regroup and come back another time when you have a conception of Hell that possesses at least some ...[text shortened]... arguments. As such, you have not yet convinced me that such a "context" merits any attention.[/b]

Is the acceptance of Jesus as my personal savior a necessary condition for my salvation?

No.

That would mean that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah, Joshua, Moses, Daniel etc. would not be saved.

Originally posted by dj2becker
[b]Is the acceptance of Jesus as my personal savior a necessary condition for my salvation?

No.

That would mean that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah, Joshua, Moses, Daniel etc. would not be saved.[/b]

As I unsuccessfully beseeched you to do with the complete definition of God, would you please state all the necessary and sufficient conditions for salvation?

Originally posted by Halitose
Sigh. You seem to have some misconceptions on the Christian concepts of hell, so I'll c&p from a previous post:

My 2 cents on hell.

There is no doctrine I would rather remove from my Christianity than the doctrine of hell. I know I've alluded many times to free will and I do so here again.

If the acceptance and happiness of a creature (heaven) ...[text shortened]... locked from the inside, where those lost souls enjoy the freedom without God they have demanded.

I like your 2 cent definition. I would add that you do say it is not eternal..the byproduct is ash...the suffering is over.
And God is justified, that is, He is not a sadistic vengeful God who would like "eternal" suffering and pain, as some would suggest.
Am I correct in my assessment of your post?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
I like your 2 cent definition. I would add that you do say it is not eternal..the byproduct is ash...the suffering is over.
And God is justified, that is, He is not a sadistic vengeful God who would like "eternal" suffering and pain, as some would suggest.
Am I correct in my assessment of your post?

Pretty much...