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Originally posted by Starrman
I can't as I do not have the knowledge, I am not an evolutionary scientist. But that does not take away from the fact that in the future such a method may be disovered. It is not faith at all, but an opinion based on the fact that the natural laws of the universe are measureable and the more research done, the closer we get to a full picture of it.

EDIT: I agree this is departing from the title of the thread.
Isn't this faith?

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Originally posted by lucifershammer
Isn't this faith?
I do not believe so, I would call it hope. I would define faith as a cause for belief with no necessary basis in fact, perhaps we have differing definitions.

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Originally posted by Starrman
I do not believe so, I would call it hope. I would define faith as a cause for belief with no necessary basis in fact, perhaps we have differing definitions.
Perhaps. I define faith as trust in the truth of something we do not know for certain.

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Originally posted by Starrman
I do not believe so, I would call it hope. I would define faith as a cause for belief with no necessary basis in fact, perhaps we have differing definitions.
Faith is defined in the dictionary as "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence."

Evolution has neither logical proof nor material evidence.

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You know, when I started this thread, all I really wanted to know was was anyone had ever seen a ghost.
Or a vampire for that matter.
Signed a weary TrollGirl28

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Originally posted by TrollGirl28
You know, when I started this thread, all I really wanted to know was was anyone had ever seen a ghost.
Or a vampire for that matter.
Signed a weary TrollGirl28
I agree with TrollGirl28. About a week ago I asked the question whether anybody had seen a ghost/etc with their own eyes, and not one of RHP's 75000 users has answered. This suggests one of four possibilities:
1) Ghosts don't exist.
2) Ghosts are very rare.
3) Ghosts don't show themselves to people very often.
4) Anyone who has seen a ghost is scared to admit it in case they are ridiculed.
Are there any other possibilities?

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Originally posted by Peter X

Are there any other possibilities?
No-one really cares?

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people just can't be arsed posting it because they think noone will believe them? which is highly likely given the amount of skeptics on here. Also hardly anyone reads the spirituality forum so theres another one.

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Originally posted by dj2becker
Faith is defined in the dictionary as "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence."

Evolution has neither logical proof nor material evidence.
Even if I subscribed to this definition, I do not believe in the Theory of Evolution. I believe that it is possible for it to one day be proven and this belief does not rest on faith.

To say there is no material evidence is just plain wrong. Whether that evidence constitutes proof is debateable of course, but there is certainly a great deal of evidence.

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Originally posted by Starrman
Even if I subscribed to this definition, I do not believe in the Theory of Evolution. I believe that it is possible for it to one day be proven and this belief does not rest on faith.

To say there is no material evidence is just plain wrong. Whether that evidence constitutes proof is debateable of course, but there is certainly a great deal of evidence.
Well its good to hear that you don't believe in the Theory of Evolution.

Well how then do you believe we got here?

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Originally posted by TrollGirl28
You know, when I started this thread, all I really wanted to know was was anyone had ever seen a ghost.
Or a vampire for that matter.
Signed a weary TrollGirl28
Who wants to talk about ghosts and vampires when we can talk about our favourite topics - evolution/creationism, heaven/hell etc etc.

And no, I haven't seen ghosts or vampires (except on TV and in movies). I thought I once felt the presence of my dead grandpa when I was about eight, but I must've imagined it.

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Originally posted by dj2becker
Well its good to hear that you don't believe in the Theory of Evolution.

Well how then do you believe we got here?
I hope that evolution is correct as I can see sense in the ideas it presents. At the moment however, I do not know where we came from, I think it likely that evolution is possible, but I cannot say for sure.

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Originally posted by Starrman
I hope that evolution is correct as I can see sense in the ideas it presents. At the moment however, I do not know where we came from, I think it likely that evolution is possible, but I cannot say for sure.
Where do you draw the line between hope and faith?

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Originally posted by dj2becker
Where do you draw the line between hope and faith?
I don't believe they are really very similar.

Hope: The general feeling that some desire will be fulfilled.

Faith: A cause for belief with no necessary basis in fact.

or to use Lucifershammer's definition for comparrison: trust in the truth of something we do not know for certain