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Originally posted by 667joeI too am not aware of Jesus sending anyone to Hell. I believe the Holy Bible
Where have you been?
said He went to Hell after His crucifixion to preach to them and get some
of them out of Hell. I believe it is our own actions that sends us to Hell.
That is where many people want to go. They think it will be too boring in
Heaven.
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Originally posted by 667joeChrist came to give us the "good news". From my own interpretation of the scriptures, Jesus came to "save" us, not just in this world, but the next as well. Scripturally, however, you will be hard pressed to show Christ came into the world to condemn anyone. In fact, John 3:17 says just the opposite. It says that Christ did not come into the world to condenm the world, but to testify of grace. Before Chrsit there was already condemnation in the world, he simply came to remove it.
Is it not a threat of Christianity that if you don't believe in Jesus, you will go to hell and further that if you do accept Jesus no matter how bad you may have been, you will be forgiven and avoid hell?
Of course, you have well meaning Christians who are more than willing to be the judge and jury as to who makes it into heaven. I, however, don't waste my time. After all, its not my job.
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Originally posted by 667joeChristians are good at making threats then changing their tune if you ask too many questions. In general, they get extra points for converting you regardless of what means they used. Its OK to lie, cheat, torture etc for the 'greater good'.
Is it not a threat of Christianity that ....
Originally posted by twhiteheadThat is the Marxist-communist idea - the end justifies the means.
Christians are good at making threats then changing their tune if you ask too many questions. In general, they get extra points for converting you regardless of what means they used. Its OK to lie, cheat, torture etc for the 'greater good'.
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Originally posted by JS357very first line begins with an assumption, i quote,
There is a pretty good description at
http://www.twopaths.com/faq_salvation.htm#II
It gives Bible references. I don't mean to say it settles anything.
Salvation means being saved from the power of sin and from hell, the eternal
penalty of that sin.
it them goes on to state , in unequivocal terms, that the author has not the slightest
idea what they are talking about,
Other common terms for salvation are being saved, going to heaven, eternal life,
everlasting life, the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven.
this not only betrays a lack of depth and understanding as to these specific terms,
to make them synonymous with one another betrays a lack of depth and
understanding, author should be taken outside, tied to a whipping post and
thoroughly given a good whuppin!
Originally posted by 667joeWell if Christ came to "save" mankind then it would stand to reason to be true. Otherwise, his sacrifice was not necessary. There is not a Christian worth their salt who would say otherwise. However, who is Jesus condemning? You assume this is a condemnation rather than liberation from being condemned.
Jesus said, " If a man not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." John 15:6.