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    18 Dec '11 12:23
    Can some one explain to me how Jesus could be moral for sending a person to hell just because said person did not believe in him (Jesus)?
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    18 Dec '11 13:06
    Originally posted by 667joe
    Can some one explain to me how Jesus could be moral for sending a person to hell just because said person did not believe in him (Jesus)?
    Who did Jesus send to hell?
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    18 Dec '11 13:18
    Originally posted by whodey
    Who did Jesus send to hell?
    Where have you been?
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    18 Dec '11 13:291 edit
    Originally posted by 667joe
    Where have you been?
    I too am not aware of Jesus sending anyone to Hell. I believe the Holy Bible
    said He went to Hell after His crucifixion to preach to them and get some
    of them out of Hell. I believe it is our own actions that sends us to Hell.
    That is where many people want to go. They think it will be too boring in
    Heaven.
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    18 Dec '11 13:29
    Originally posted by 667joe
    Where have you been?
    Could you answer the question? Hmmmm?
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    18 Dec '11 13:36
    Originally posted by 667joe
    Where have you been?
    Scripture please.
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    18 Dec '11 13:49
    Originally posted by whodey
    Scripture please.
    Is it not a threat of Christianity that if you don't believe in Jesus, you will go to hell and further that if you do accept Jesus no matter how bad you may have been, you will be forgiven and avoid hell?
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    18 Dec '11 13:561 edit
    Originally posted by 667joe
    Is it not a threat of Christianity that if you don't believe in Jesus, you will go to hell and further that if you do accept Jesus no matter how bad you may have been, you will be forgiven and avoid hell?
    Christ came to give us the "good news". From my own interpretation of the scriptures, Jesus came to "save" us, not just in this world, but the next as well. Scripturally, however, you will be hard pressed to show Christ came into the world to condemn anyone. In fact, John 3:17 says just the opposite. It says that Christ did not come into the world to condenm the world, but to testify of grace. Before Chrsit there was already condemnation in the world, he simply came to remove it.

    Of course, you have well meaning Christians who are more than willing to be the judge and jury as to who makes it into heaven. I, however, don't waste my time. After all, its not my job.
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    18 Dec '11 18:06
    Originally posted by 667joe
    Is it not a threat of Christianity that if you don't believe in Jesus, you will go to hell and further that if you do accept Jesus no matter how bad you may have been, you will be forgiven and avoid hell?
    scriptural references please.
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    18 Dec '11 18:131 edit
    Originally posted by 667joe
    Is it not a threat of Christianity that ....
    Christians are good at making threats then changing their tune if you ask too many questions. In general, they get extra points for converting you regardless of what means they used. Its OK to lie, cheat, torture etc for the 'greater good'.
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    18 Dec '11 18:32
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    scriptural references please.
    There is a pretty good description at

    http://www.twopaths.com/faq_salvation.htm#II

    It gives Bible references. I don't mean to say it settles anything.
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    18 Dec '11 19:01
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Christians are good at making threats then changing their tune if you ask too many questions. In general, they get extra points for converting you regardless of what means they used. Its OK to lie, cheat, torture etc for the 'greater good'.
    That is the Marxist-communist idea - the end justifies the means.
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    18 Dec '11 19:221 edit
    Originally posted by JS357
    There is a pretty good description at

    http://www.twopaths.com/faq_salvation.htm#II

    It gives Bible references. I don't mean to say it settles anything.
    very first line begins with an assumption, i quote,

    Salvation means being saved from the power of sin and from hell, the eternal
    penalty of that sin.

    it them goes on to state , in unequivocal terms, that the author has not the slightest
    idea what they are talking about,

    Other common terms for salvation are being saved, going to heaven, eternal life,
    everlasting life, the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven.

    this not only betrays a lack of depth and understanding as to these specific terms,
    to make them synonymous with one another betrays a lack of depth and
    understanding, author should be taken outside, tied to a whipping post and
    thoroughly given a good whuppin!
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    18 Dec '11 21:23
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    scriptural references please.
    Jesus said, " If a man not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." John 15:6.
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    18 Dec '11 22:07
    Originally posted by 667joe
    Jesus said, " If a man not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." John 15:6.
    Well if Christ came to "save" mankind then it would stand to reason to be true. Otherwise, his sacrifice was not necessary. There is not a Christian worth their salt who would say otherwise. However, who is Jesus condemning? You assume this is a condemnation rather than liberation from being condemned.
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