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    20 Dec '11 01:21
    Originally posted by kbear1k
    "Believing and trusting in Jesus as your Lord and Savior is the same
    as turning from evil and choosing good."

    That's it? What happens if you don't follow the teachings of Jesus after you profess to the above?
    Suppose you follow the teachings of Jesus but were not brought up as a Christian and follow the practices of Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism? ...[text shortened]... hen repent and go into heaven?

    These are all questions ons has to ask oneself - I think.
    As a Christian, I believe that Christ came to save mankind. Bottom line.

    That means those who came before, during, and after.

    As for the details, that's not my job nor yours nor anyone elses.
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    20 Dec '11 01:22
    Originally posted by Doward
    third: Is there a hell? Fourth: If there is a hell, then what is it's nature.



    You presume too much....
    I declare there is no hell.
    It's safe folks, come on down ....
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    20 Dec '11 01:23
    Originally posted by whodey
    As a Christian, I believe that Christ came to save mankind. Bottom line.

    That means those who came before, during, and after.

    As for the details, that's not my job nor yours nor anyone elses.
    But it is our jobs. Thats what christ asked of me- to sort out some of the details.
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    20 Dec '11 01:26
    Agree - I'm a Christian - but a liberal one. I would recommend the work of Prof./Dr. Mark Heim.
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    20 Dec '11 01:27
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    But it is our jobs. Thats what christ asked of me- to sort out some of the details.
    Our only obligation is our relatoinship to the Almighty, not to being judge and jury for everyone else.
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    20 Dec '11 01:30
    Originally posted by Doward
    third: Is there a hell? Fourth: If there is a hell, then what is it's nature.



    You presume too much....
    I agree! It was just a statement on part part to see where he stood on the issue
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    20 Dec '11 01:33
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    G'day from down under.

    Dont think I've had the pleasure before, but lets see..

    1. Do you believe in Hell? (ie Eternal damnation/suffering/[insert own])

    2. Do you believe that Jesus is the only "way"?

    3. Lets say that I've kept my mind open, and am ready to respond and "get in touch with"/"be harmonious with" whatever entity presents itself ...[text shortened]... h to waste no time in repeating myself to the forum, unless I really, Really, have to)
    I don't know and can't speak on your behalf. It was your experience - what say you?
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    20 Dec '11 01:43
    Originally posted by whodey
    Our only obligation is our relatoinship to the Almighty, not to being judge and jury for everyone else.
    One size does NOT fit all, no matter how hard you try. You will always have Buddhists and Hindus and a whole host of new age , newcomers to spirituality. What they lack is life experience, but they have the knowledge (I am referring to the upcoming teenagers , like my daughter, who will run the world in not too long), and I dont see a big swing towards christianity, despite being open to spirituality
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    20 Dec '11 01:45
    Originally posted by kbear1k
    I don't know and can't speak on your behalf. It was your experience - what say you?
    I say I believe what I heard.

    In the same light, I do not deny that people have spoken with christ (or vice versa).

    So you dont even want to have a little dig at my questions? I even numbered them for you. I'm just interested, is all .. you dont have to . It's no biggie 😉
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    20 Dec '11 02:41
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    I say I believe what I heard.

    In the same light, I do not deny that people have spoken with christ (or vice versa).

    So you dont even want to have a little dig at my questions? I even numbered them for you. I'm just interested, is all .. you dont have to . It's no biggie 😉
    OK - Here's my best shot at your questions:

    1.) No - it's my belief but don't really know.

    2.) No - it's my belief but don't really know.

    3.) It would be Buddha - if that is what you believe.

    :>😉
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    Let's see, a choice of a living heaven with the loonies who frequent this forum?! No thanks, i'd rather go to hell.
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    20 Dec '11 09:37
    Originally posted by whodey
    Our only obligation is our relatoinship to the Almighty, not to being judge and jury for everyone else.
    "Our" ?? who are you speaking for?

    I am not obliged to have any relationship with imaginary creatures.
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    20 Dec '11 12:24
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    Let's see, a choice of a living heaven with the loonies who frequent this forum?! No thanks, i'd rather go to hell.
    It's not as simple as that, Proper Knob, it is supposed that our "souls" (essences) that get to "heaven" , not the rest of our loony personalities. Not that I subscribe to the christian version of heaven, but there is something in my belief system that kinda sounds like the bible version.
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    20 Dec '11 12:291 edit
    Originally posted by kbear1k
    OK - Here's my best shot at your questions:

    1.) No - it's my belief but don't really know.

    2.) No - it's my belief but don't really know.

    3.) It would be Buddha - if that is what you believe.

    :>😉
    Thanks. It was the first question that really intrigued me the most.

    I believe in purgatory, but not hell.
    After all, if you think about it, it doesn't make sense, not to my way of thinking anyway.
    If god is love, then I dont believe anyone will be fried FOREVER.

    It's these sort of backward ideas (ie "Hell" ) that put me right off christianity. Just to repeat myself, it doesn't make any sense in any logical way,whereas as I could see "heaven" as making some sort of sense.
    But all this comes back to the proper assesment of human psychology , without which we cannot progress in any meaningful way on our spiritual paths.
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    20 Dec '11 18:28
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    Let's see, a choice of a living heaven with the loonies who frequent this forum?! No thanks, i'd rather go to hell.
    Keep on with the blasphemy, and it might not be your choice.
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