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Originally posted by Pudgenik
R J, did you really say this??? You are full of B--- S---!!!!!

That is my understanding of what the atheists believe. It is a part of their materialistic view of the evolution of all things and the survival of the fittest. They definitely do not believe their morals are given to them by God, so it is B--- S--- to even suggest that of them.

Originally posted by RJHinds
That is my understanding of what the atheists believe. It is a part of their materialistic view of the evolution of all things and the survival of the fittest. They definitely do not believe their morals are given to them by God, so it is B--- S--- to even suggest that of them.

I honestly don't know what to make of you. Do you honestly believe that we atheists only
act on animal instinct? Are you seriously that dumb? No, I don't think so. You've shown
time and again that you're quite intelligent, so I can only assume that you're out to provoke.

I guess every forum need someone like you to keep it interesting.

Originally posted by RJHinds
That is my understanding of what the atheists believe. It is a part of their materialistic view of the evolution of all things and the survival of the fittest. They definitely do not believe their morals are given to them by God, so it is B--- S--- to even suggest that of them.

R J, there are some humans on the planet that seem to follow your statement to the letter. Those involved with slave trade, deeply involved with drugs and those who seek nothing but what is in it for themselves. However, some of these "qualities" can also be found in some "Christians".

I know the majority of people on the planet are extreemly charitable, giving freely without expecting in return. Most are not "Christian" , at least as you would define Christian. But to me, I know them, as i know the Father in heaven. These ARE His children, and He loves all of them.

Originally posted by C Hess
I honestly don't know what to make of you. Do you honestly believe that we atheists only
act on animal instinct? Are you seriously that dumb? No, I don't think so. You've shown
time and again that you're quite intelligent, so I can only assume that you're out to provoke.

I guess every forum need someone like you to keep it interesting.

If atheists are a result of billions or millions of years of evolution from other animals that operate on the instinct to survive, then why would they have a morality that says one thing is right and another wrong without using their instinct like any other animal?

The evolutionary instincts of the atheist would determine if killing another person or group, such as Christians or Jews, would benefits that person or their group at any given time. Also it would be okay to lie, if it benefits their group of atheists or the individual atheist according to the evolutionary theory.

Originally posted by RJHinds
If atheists are a result of billions or millions of years of evolution from other animals that operate on the instinct to survive, then why would they have a morality that says one thing is right and another wrong without using their instinct like any other animal?

The evolutionary instincts of the atheist would determine if killing another person or grou ...[text shortened]... benefits their group of atheists or the individual atheist according to the evolutionary theory.

Wow - you are almost getting to grips with evolution!!

Big flaw though.

Atheists are not a species.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The evolutionary instincts of the atheist would determine if killing another person or group, such as Christians or Jews, would benefits that person or their group at any given time. Also it would be okay to lie, if it benefits their group of atheists or the individual atheist according to the evolutionary theory.

This is a common misunderstanding of evolution theory. The various ideas in the science of evolution tell us what does happen in nature, not what should happen. So for example if one group does something that benefits them and causes them to reproduce more than another group, then the theory tells us that that group would end up having a larger population possibly even at the expense of other groups, and possibly causing the extinction of other groups. That is what will happen. What should happen, or what is OK or not OK is another matter altogether.
I for one, do not believe might makes right, and know very few people that do believe this. In fact the only person I recall who claimed this was a theist on this forum (I forget who it was).
Looking at history, it has been far more common for theists to go around killing members of other religions for the benefit of themselves and their religion than it has been for atheists to do so, so it would seem the moral philosophy of 'its OK to do anything that benefits ourselves' seems to me to be more common amongst theists.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Looking at history, it has been far more common for theists to go around killing members of other religions for the benefit of themselves and their religion than it has been for atheists to do so,

Disagree. Atheists have had their Chairman Maos and Papa Stalins.

The human race is violent. I think it's fair to say that religion is a common excuse for killing, although lack of religion does not make people more peaceful.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Disagree. Atheists have had their Chairman Maos and Papa Stalins.

The human race is violent. I think it's fair to say that religion is a common excuse for killing, although lack of religion does not make people more peaceful.

I don't think you can substantiate that.

While religion and religiosity are by no means the only factors in inciting and promoting
violence and discrimination, they are factors.

And generally where and when religiosity is lower, so are rates of violence and crime.

Originally posted by googlefudge
I don't think you can substantiate that.

While religion and religiosity are by no means the only factors in inciting and promoting
violence and discrimination, they are factors.

And generally where and when religiosity is lower, so are rates of violence and crime.

Since mine is the counter-claim, I should think your side should substantiate first.

Originally posted by twhitehead
This is a common misunderstanding of evolution theory. The various ideas in the science of evolution tell us what does happen in nature, not what should happen. So for example if one group does something that benefits them and causes them to reproduce more than another group, then the theory tells us that that group would end up having a larger population ...[text shortened]... f 'its OK to do anything that benefits ourselves' seems to me to be more common amongst theists.

The theory of evolution is supposed to tell what happens in nature and also what should happen in nature. It actually does neither. As you say, some that claim to believe in evolution and atheism do not seem to follow their animal instincts all the time. This seems to be another reason why there must be something wrong with the theory of evolution.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Disagree. Atheists have had their Chairman Maos and Papa Stalins.

The human race is violent. I think it's fair to say that religion is a common excuse for killing, although lack of religion does not make people more peaceful.

I almost agree SG but I cannot think of
country going to war because of its atheism.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
I almost agree SG but I cannot think of
country going to war because of its atheism.

That is because atheists have always been in the minority, numbnuts.

Oh, sorry that should have been infidel.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The theory of evolution is supposed to tell what happens in nature and also what should happen in nature. It actually does neither. As you say, some that claim to believe in evolution and atheism do not seem to follow their animal instincts all the time. This seems to be another reason why there must be something wrong with the theory of evolution.

"The theory of evolution is supposed to tell what happens in nature..."
The scientific theory of evolution isn't suppose to tell everything what happens in nature. It's suppose to find out what evolution is and how it works. People who believe in evilution, like you, don't know much about evolution.

"... also what should happen in nature."
No, it doesn't. You really have to learn better about the subject you want to discuss.

"...some that claim to believe in evolution and atheism..."
You know there are christians that believe in evolution, because they learn the facts and not what evilutionists trying to desinform them.

"...do not seem to follow their animal instincts all the time. "
You mean, you follow your animal instincts? All the time? 🙂

"This seems to be another reason why there must be something wrong with the theory of evolution."
Of course it seems wrong to you if you don't understand evolution. And you chose to remain in ignorance.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
"The theory of evolution is supposed to tell what happens in nature..."
The scientific theory of evolution isn't suppose to tell everything what happens in nature. It's suppose to find out what evolution is and how it works. People who believe in evilution, like you, don't know much about evolution.

"... also what should happen in nature."
No, it doe ...[text shortened]... e it seems wrong to you if you don't understand evolution. And you chose to remain in ignorance.

I'm glad to see that you now understand that the theory of evolution isn't smart enough to tell us anything. It is a piece of crap theory.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I'm glad to see that you now understand that the theory of evolution isn't smart enough to tell us anything. It is a piece of crap theory.

For those who doesn't know evolution, and for those who doesn't care, it's crap.
For people interested in science it's a fantastic theory, explaining everything that the theory is meant to explain. It's a near genius theory!