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my question is very simple really... when Jesus died what parts of the law did He take from the old testament?
Originally posted by KaboooombaMy understanding was that the old testament laws applied only to Jews and therefore non-jewish Christians need not follow any of them but rather only follow Jesus' teachings. However many people on this site imply that even Jesus' teachings should not be taken as law and in some peoples view it is not even important to follow them at all but rather listen to Paul.
my question is very simple really... when Jesus died what parts of the law did He take from the old testament?
Originally posted by twhiteheadthis is the way i think about what you have written.
My understanding was that the old testament laws applied only to Jews and therefore non-jewish Christians need not follow any of them but rather only follow Jesus' teachings. However many people on this site imply that even Jesus' teachings should not be taken as law and in some peoples view it is not even important to follow them at all but rather listen to Paul.
Originally posted by KaboooombaThe old testament makes it very clear and so do current jews that there is a difference between jews and non-jews and to some extent implies that the old testament laws only apply to jews.
this is the way i think about what you have written.
1) jewish and non-jewish have no difference if it is by blood. given time we all going to be one race, so it don't make sense.
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3) the last i find hard to believe but are willing to listen what anyone has to say.
Originally posted by twhiteheadlol. i'm going out to grab some tea. look forward to replying when i get back.
The old testament makes it very clear and so do current jews that there is a difference between jews and non-jews and to some extent implies that the old testament laws only apply to jews.
Jesus did make some law-like statements, especially where he was asked about some of the ten commandments and he made stricter versions of them. The question is whethe ...[text shortened]... d you follow them if Paul then says that all that is required to enter heaven is to have faith?
Originally posted by twhiteheadthis thing with Jewish people makes absolutely no sense to me for fact i have many different bloods in me. if i was half Jewish would i follow half these laws, 1/4, 1/8. like what if i didn't know i was Jewish and lived my life according to what i knew... would it make a difference?
The old testament makes it very clear and so do current jews that there is a difference between jews and non-jews and to some extent implies that the old testament laws only apply to jews.
Jesus did make some law-like statements, especially where he was asked about some of the ten commandments and he made stricter versions of them. The question is whethe ...[text shortened]... d you follow them if Paul then says that all that is required to enter heaven is to have faith?
Originally posted by KaboooombaIf you study the gospels it is clear that Jesus constantly referred to the Old Testament. He did not change God's laws, he was the perfection or completion of God's laws. The greatest commandment in the Old Testament was to love the Lord with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself. If you do these things you will keep God's law without any effort. In fact, Jesus is referred to in the first chapter of John as God's word incarnate. In other words, Jesus was God's living word coming to life. Jesus was a fulfillment of God's word and prophesy in the Old Testament. What most people don't realize is that God's word is a living extension of himself and not a seperate entity or a nonliving entity. After all, it says in Genesis that God created using words.
my question is very simple really... when Jesus died what parts of the law did He take from the old testament?
Originally posted by KaboooombaSo how do you see the Jewish question then? It is very clear in the old testament that they were the 'Chosen People' does this mean that there were some 1/8 chosen people around? Part of the reason why only they should have been expected to follow the Old Testament laws is because only they were told what those laws were.
this thing with Jewish people makes absolutely no sense to me for fact i have many different bloods in me. if i was half Jewish would i follow half these laws, 1/4, 1/8. like what if i didn't know i was Jewish and lived my life according to what i knew... would it make a difference?
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Jesus is all i have left. He is my life.
Originally posted by twhiteheadThe way that I see things in the Bible is that God operates using covenants. Also, God operates using our free will. Why were the Israelites God's chosen people? It was because of a willing vessel named Abraham. Abraham chose to be God's servant and follow him. God, therefore, made a covenant with him and told him that his descendants would inherit the land in which is lived. Through Abrahams faith, God was able to bless him and his descendants. Without Abrahams consent this never would have come about.
So how do you see the Jewish question then? It is very clear in the old testament that they were the 'Chosen People' does this mean that there were some 1/8 chosen people around? Part of the reason why only they should have been expected to follow the Old Testament laws is because only they were told what those laws were.