What do atheists...

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Naturalism may not give us the answer to the 'why' questions, but that doesn't mean i'm going to make something up just to fill the gap. All you're doing is promoting is a 'God of the gaps' world view, i don't buy it as i find it extremely intellectually lazy. Anyone can make up any old nonsense to fill the void. I prefer admitting that i don't know and stating that i will keep an open mind.

No i do not expect that you should fabricate anything, but one must recognise the limits
of naturalism and on the contrary its entirely liberating, for while the materialist only
sees the mechanism, the theist not only sees the mechanism, but also other qualities,
design, intelligence, beauty, harmony, cooperation, all of which help him to draw
inferences about the universe.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
why is it in his nature?

because its an innate quality, like justice, or love, power or wisdom.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
because its an innate quality, like justice, or love, power or wisdom.

how and why did god acquire innate qualities?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
how and why did god acquire innate qualities?

how i cannot say, why has god innate qualities? why does anything have qualities? its
simply an expression of their character, or characteristics. without these qualities how
would God express himself?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No i do not expect that you should fabricate anything, but one must recognise the limits
of naturalism and on the contrary its entirely liberating, for while the materialist only
sees the mechanism, the theist not only sees the mechanism, but also other qualities,
design, intelligence, beauty, harmony, cooperation, all of which help him to draw
inferences about the universe.

Now we're back to where we started.

You only see design and intelligence in the natural world because you haven't read the literature which explains how the natural world is formed. Your worldview is based on nothing more than ignorance and a 'God of the Gaps' mindset.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Now we're back to where we started.

You only see design and intelligence in the natural world because you haven't read the literature which explains how the natural world is formed. Your worldview is based on nothing more than ignorance and a 'God of the Gaps' mindset.

no that is not strictly true, the difference lies in that the naturalist feels that the only
reality is derived from an observation of the natural world, which we have determined
is limiting, the theist on the other hand realises that this is all good and well, on an
immediate level, but that ultimately that God is necessary to explain a unified view of
the universe.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
how i cannot say, why has god innate qualities? why does anything have qualities? its
simply an expression of their character, or characteristics. without these qualities how
would God express himself?

are only positive qualities innate?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
are only positive qualities innate?

we are told that God is perfect.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
we are told that God is perfect.

who said god was perfect?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
who said god was perfect?

the Bible,

(Deuteronomy 32:4) . . .The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice; Righteous and upright is he.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the Bible,

(Deuteronomy 32:4) . . .The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice; Righteous and upright is he.

does bible say god can be violent?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
does bible say god can be violent?

I can find no reference,

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I can find no reference,

do you think god can be violent?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I can find no reference,

No reference to God killing anyone?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you see, your adherence to naturalism is entirely limiting.

The rejection of naturalism is entirely non-limiting. Unfortunately this fact means that there is no way to judge the merits of proposed ideas.