@galveston75 said
immoral[ ih-mawr-uhl, ih-mor- ]SHOW IPA
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adjective
violating moral principles; not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics.
licentious or lascivious.

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unscrupulous, pornographic, ((((((sin ...[text shortened]... pt, unethical, shameless, X-rated, abandoned, bad, debauched, dissipated, dissolute, fast, graceless

For the purposes of discussing and debating "immorality" and "sin" on a message board where there are religious people and non-religious people, believers in supernatural causality and people who don't believe that morality comes from a supernatural source, the definition of "sin" I am using is not the colloquial one that you have plucked out of a list of synonyms, but this one: "an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law".

I think it makes sense to maintain this distinction between 'immorality' and 'sin' given the contrasting beliefs of people here. Deliberately smudging this not insignificant distinction by using a list of synonyms in a thesaurus, in order to pretend that you can "define" a word that way, is a dilution of what words mean that serves no good purpose. Indeed, it strikes me as being a bit of sophistry on your part.

@fmf said
Deliberately smudging this not insignificant distinction by using a list of synonyms in a thesaurus, in order to pretend that you can "define" a word that way, is a dilution of what words mean that serves no good purpose.

galveston75, do you believe "immorality" and "dissipated" mean exactly the same thing. Only, I was looking at what you copy pasted from a thesaurus...

@galveston75 said
immoral
adjective
violating moral principles; not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics.

Yes, I accept this definition of "immorality".

What additional meaning is added to this notion [as defined above] if one deliberately uses the word "sin" instead?

@kellyjay said
others like myself believe, you are alive going through it aware of the punishment you’re in, you will continue to be, eternally as well. This is hell the never stopping, never lessening, forever being in the pains of it with no hope of redemption, because that time had come and gone unheeded.

What would be the moral purpose of still inflicting this "never lessening" pain in - say - the 50,000th year after the non-believer's death?

What would be the moral purpose of keeping the infliction of this pain secret from the non-believers that have not died yet? If it's actually happening to anyone, it's certainly being kept secret from me.

What would be the moral purpose of a supernatural being providing clear and incontrovertible proof of its existence only after the death of a non-believer, rather than providing such proof when the said non-believer was still alive and able to act upon it?

Your ideology sounds like you have jotted it down on the back of an envelope and haven't run it past the moral coherence smell test even for a moment.

@fmf said
galveston75, do you believe "immorality" and "dissipated" mean exactly the same thing. Only, I was looking at what you copy pasted from a thesaurus...

No not exactly the same thing in meaning but living that life style would easily lead one to immorality. Would you agree?

@galveston75 said
No not exactly the same thing in meaning but living that life style would easily lead one to immorality. Would you agree?

The definitions of "immoral" and "dissipated" are different.

A woman's vagina could "easily lead one to immorality", it does not mean that it would make any sense to say "vagina" and "immorality" are"not exactly the same thing in meaning".

Do you agree that additional meaning is added to the notion of immorality as defined by you on the previous page if one deliberately uses the word "sin" instead of "immorality"?

@galveston75 said
Strange but whatever.
So if someone murders another, that is not a sin? If it's not what most would call a sin, what is it and why would authorities punish someone for that murder? Isn't many of our laws based on what the bible calls a sin?

Do you except these two definitions?

[1] "Sins": "immoral acts considered to be a transgression against divine law".

[2] "Immorality": "not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics"

Does that distinction, in fact, assist us and make it possible for us to discuss "hell" and "sin" despite our different beliefs?

@fmf said
Do you except these two definitions?

[1] "Sins": "immoral acts considered to be a transgression against divine law".

[2] "Immorality": "not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics"

Does that distinction, in fact, assist us and make it possible for us to discuss "hell" and "sin" despite our different beliefs?

Immorality can still lead to sin and usually does.

@galveston75 said
Immorality can still lead to sin and usually does.

Also if one is thinking and harboring thoughts of immorality but does not follow thru with the action, Jehovah still see's and reads your heart. This alone can seriously damage your standing with him.
Do you believe watching porn is a sin or just immoral?

@galveston75 said
Immorality can still lead to sin and usually does.

"Immorality" and "sin" in many cases can be used to the refer to the same acts or behaviour. But all people are not going to agree that all "sins", as perceived by religious people, are necessarily "immoral". The distinction between the two words is valuable, especially on a forum like this.

@galveston75 said
Also if one is thinking and harboring thoughts of immorality but does not follow thru with the action, Jehovah still see's and reads your heart. This alone can seriously damage your standing with him.

Personally, while I can see how thoughts can be described as "sinful", I tend to see "morality" as governing action snd interaction, and I am not concerned so much about 'thoughcrimes'.

@galveston75 said
Do you believe watching porn is a sin or just immoral?

I will leave whether it is "sinful" or not to people who believe in "sin".

In and if itself, I don't see images showing nudity or depiction of sexual acts as immoral, no.

Can the creation of such depictions involve immoral acts? Yes, obviously.

Can immoral acts be in some way related to or a consequence of looking at nude images or depictions of sexual acts? Yes, one can easily think of scenarios.

@galveston75 said
Do you believe watching porn is a sin or just immoral?

I don't believe people who make or watch "porn" are going to go to "Hell" after they die.

@fmf said
I don't believe people who make or watch "porn" are going to go to "Hell" after they die.

If there is a hell or hell fire or lake of fire, it is the ones who ignore the poor and needy and hungry, who will go there after they die. Jesus explained that in the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus and other places as well.

@fmf said
What would be the moral purpose of still inflicting this "never lessening" pain in - say - the 50,000th year after the non-believer's death?

What would be the moral purpose of keeping the infliction of this pain secret from the non-believers that have not died yet? If it's actually happening to anyone, it's certainly being kept secret from me.

What would be the moral purpo ...[text shortened]... on the back of an envelope and haven't run it past the moral coherence smell test even for a moment.

Imagine a man lives for 25 years and does not accept Christ and the God of these Christians torture the man for 50,000,000,0000,000,000 years and keeps on going. The idea of eternal torture can only make sense in the mind of fool.