Going to bed but will leave a couple scriptures to show God's viewpoint which is who I try my best to obey. I tend to follow his words over mans opinions....
James 1:14, 15:
14 But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death.
"If unclean thoughts entice you, take immediate action. Jesus said: “If, then, your hand or your foot makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it away from you. . . . Also, if your eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it away from you.” (Matt. 18:8, 9) Jesus was not suggesting self-mutilation. He was illustrating the need to remove the source of stumbling—quickly and decisively. " The Watchtower—Study Edition | June 2019
@galveston75 saidIt's interesting how you have basically blanked out my responses to your questions, despite my efforts to engage you. Luckily the writing done here is for personal 'therapeutical' discourse reasons and is done for public consumption and is not invalidated by the intellectual weakness or interpersonal cowardice of regurgitating peephole ideologues like you. I say this in a spirit of candour and without rancour.
Going to bed but will leave a couple scriptures to show God's viewpoint which is who I try my best to obey. I tend to follow his words over mans opinions....
James 1:14, 15:
14 But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings ...[text shortened]... remove the source of stumbling—quickly and decisively. " The Watchtower—Study Edition | June 2019
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@galveston75 asked “what is hell?”
If you believe the likes of sonship, Secondson, Eladar, LemonLime, whodey, KellyJay and most American Christians in here, then is:
- a place purposefully created by God
- it contains a lake of burning fire, sulphur and brimstone
- it’s smoke goes up forever
- all non Christians will be cast into this lake along with the “Beast”, the “False Prophet” and their followers.
- all of these people and beings will be supernaturally kept alive such that their flesh-melting suffering will be everlasting
- this holocaust is overseen by the Lamb (Jesus) and his angels, according to Christian literal interpretation the book of Revelation
- the people being cast into this lake of anguish are the people that Jesus “loved so much that he died for them” John 3:16
- and yet apparently Jesus still new that they wouldn’t become Christians so he created the most appalling eternalised punishment for those he “loved so much” and even “while we were still sinners”.
This child which was born to be King, born to be the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, the Almighty God...this version of Jesus has designed and overseas a place filled with an eternal hate-crime worse than all the accumulated hate-crimes, genocides and terrorise ever committed on earth.
Telling people about this strategy of eternal suffering makes people love Jesus and want to be a Christian.
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@caesar-salad saidWas it to remove some more of your posts?
Funny you should say that, because God told me something quite different just the other day. 😉
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidGalveston75 is a ideologue of the cult of Jehovah’s Witnesses, he is not interested in genuine discourse or dialogue, only the propagation of his religious organisation.
Having established yourself that this has been discussed many times before (understatement) why not think of an original topic to post?
Those are my comments.
I suspect that he is using one of this forums most populated topics as a launch pad for some Watchtower dogma.
@divegeester saidDo you think God is good, just, righteous, holy and all of these perfectly so?
@galveston75 asked “what is hell?”
If you believe the likes of sonship, Secondson, Eladar, LemonLime, whodey, KellyJay and most American Christians in here, then is:
- a place purposefully created by God
- it contains a lake of burning fire, sulphur and brimstone
- it’s smoke goes up forever
- all non Christians will be cast into this lake along with the “Beast ...[text shortened]... people about this strategy of eternal suffering makes people love Jesus and want to be a Christian.
Perfectly means He cannot get better, or worse at them, being perfectly so is untainted by any flaw!
@divegeester No not at all as my post shows. It is not a bible teaching and in fact has pagan origins.
Here are some decent links to see where this started and how and when it was adopted into the churches.....
http://30ce.com/developmentofhell.htm
https://rcg.org/books/ttah.html
https://goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/hellfire2.htm
@caissad4 saidNot all are totally stupid. Those who have escaped the influence of the church and who follow Christ tend to drop many ridiculous teachings. Its a hard life though. You get sidelined by friends and family.
Every time I become certain Theists are totally stupid, one of them makes a statement I totally agree with. Excellent post !
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@kellyjay saidYes of course, which, also of course, is why your dogma on hell and eternal suffering is the more wrong thing in the history of wrong things.
Do you think God is good, just, righteous, holy and all of these perfectly so?
Perfectly means He cannot get better, or worse at them, being perfectly so is untainted by any flaw!
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@galveston75 saidWhich part of my lengthy and condemnation exegesis on the doctrine of eternal suffering are you referring?
@divegeester No not at all as my post shows. It is not a bible teaching and in fact has pagan origins.
Here are some decent links to see where this started and how and when it was adopted into the churches.....
http://30ce.com/developmentofhell.htm
https://rcg.org/books/ttah.html
https://goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/hellfire2.htm
@divegeester saidOkay, so God is totally just, good, and holy without flaw. He is also merciful and loving so to justify us Jesus took on all of our sins, becoming sin so we could be forgiven. The cross of Christ makes sure God's nature is completely satisfied, and only through Jesus Christ is this true. Outside of the cross none of God's attributes are satisfied, justice therefore requires total condemnation, making holiness reject the evil and wickedness we do, and God's goodness requiring these things to be answered for, therefore no one without Jesus' forgiveness will be entering into God's Kingdom.
Yes of course, which, also of course, is why your dogma on hell and eternal suffering is the more wrong thing in the history of wrong things.
At the very beginning we were to be made in the image of God in Genesis, and God has not changed His mind about this. We are being conformed into God's image, into Jesus' image.
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Romans 8:29
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
This goal of God is for us to share in His nature being made in His image, which is why we are told to forgive as we have been forgiven, if not we will not be forgiven. We are told not to judge lest we be judged! This is why we are told to love God and each other to the point that we are warned that if we cannot love those we see, we cannot say that we love God. What God does for us He wants us to do to others He is our example, forgive, give grace.
The angelic host are eternal beings they will face an eternal punishment, we are eternal beings with the greatest of all futures before us. To come up short here we too will be going through an eternal punishment, as Jesus puts it, if we fail we will be unworthy of Him. A timeless God with eternal consequences after judgment isn't going to be looking at us then as we look at time now. Now there are limitations in all of life, our life spans are around 120 at the high end, there its all eternal. I grant you it is a horrible idea that this is before us, but our feelings in the here and now don't matter any more than they can change the sky's color, or the grass.
@divegeester saidOh just that a burning hell is not a bible teaching.
Which part of my lengthy and condemnation exegesis on the doctrine of eternal suffering are you referring?