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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeTell me why I can't love someone who hates me, if I don't hate them.
Sir, you are describing altruism, not love.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeTell me why I can't love someone who hates me, if I don't hate them.
Sir, you are describing altruism, not love.
Originally posted by @kellyjayTell me if you can love someone 'you' hate? (aka an enemy).
Tell me why I can't love someone who hates me, if I don't hate them.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeYes He did, there wasn't an exception clause for loving everyone. I suggest you read Matthew 5:44-46!
Tell me if you can love someone 'you' hate? (aka an enemy).
God didn't tell you to 'love people who view you as an enemy.'
Originally posted by @dj2beckerAgape is a Greek word, but we are told in Wiki that "There are few instances of the word agape in polytheistic Greek literature. Bauer's Lexicon mentions a sepulchral inscription, most likely to honor a polytheistic army officer held in "high esteem" by his country." What seems to have given the word its cultural significance is its adoption in Christian writing.
The atheist cannot understand agape because they conflate it with eros.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerFunny you should say that. I once had a friend who was going through a divorce and said: She can have what ever the hell she wants, but she isn't getting the dog. Obviously he felt more love for the dog!!!
There should obviously be a distinction between the kind of love someone would have for their wife compared to the love they have for their dog.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeMatthew 5:
Tell me if you can love someone 'you' hate? (aka an enemy).
God didn't tell you to 'love people who view you as an enemy.'
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemIndeed.
Someday this forum will learn to use youtube links.
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Originally posted by @kellyjayWhat is [love]? Love is [enter relevant text].
Matthew 5:
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love ...[text shortened]... the Gentiles do the same? 48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
None of you truly believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself. (Bukhari, Muslim)
Allah will ask on the Day of Judgment: “Where are those who loved each other for the sake of My glory? Today, on a day when there is no shade but Mine, I shall shade them with My shade.” (Muslim)
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “There are people from the servants of God who are neither prophets nor martyrs, (but) the prophets and martyrs will envy them on the Day of Resurrection. . .They are those who love one another for the spirit of God. . .I swear by God, their faces will glow and they will be (sitting) in (pulpits of) light. They will have no fear (on the day) when the people will have fear, and they will not grieve when the people will grieve.” He then recited the verse: “Behold! Verily for the friends of God, there is no fear, nor shall they grieve.” (Quran, 10:62)
(Recorded in Sunan of Abu Dawood, Hadith 1563)
The Prophet Muhammad said, “O God, grant me life as a poor man, cause me to die as a poor man and resurrect me in the company of the poor.” His wife asked him why he said that, and he replied: “Because (the poor) will enter Paradise (before) the rich. Do not turn away a poor man…even if all you can give is half a date. If you love the poor and bring them near you, God will bring you near Him on the Day of Resurrection.” (At-Tirmidthi)
Originally posted by @finneganThe one that doesn't believe in God and hence does not believe in "Agapeo" which is defined as the love of God.
Which atheist do you have in mind?
Originally posted by @avalanchethecatWhy is it foolish to believe that someone who cannot comprehend the existence of God will have difficulty understanding the love of God?
Just when I think you can't be any more of a fool you go and prove me wrong.
edit - but I still love you, albeit probably in a way you don't understand
Originally posted by @finneganThe likes of Ghost seem to agree that they cannot love their enemies. This is seemingly only possible if you have the unconditional love of God in your heart.
Agape is a Greek word, but we are told in Wiki that "There are few instances of the word agape in polytheistic Greek literature. Bauer's Lexicon mentions a sepulchral inscription, most likely to honor a polytheistic army officer held in "high esteem" by his country." What seems to have given the word its cultural significance is its adoption in Christian ...[text shortened]... t of reach for any atheist.
This may seem a very satisfying state of affairs to a Christian.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerHave you seen God described by non-believers? It isn't God that they describe, but whatever passes for God between their ears.
Why is it foolish to believe that someone who cannot comprehend the existence of God will have difficulty understanding the love of God?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerNot even then. The best you can muster is goodwill.
The likes of Ghost seem to agree that they cannot love their enemies. This is seemingly only possible if you have the unconditional love of God in your heart.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerQuite likely so then. As long as you define love in that way then atheists would certainly be excluded.
The one that doesn't believe in God and hence does not believe in "Agapeo" which is defined as the love of God.