@secondson saidHe's a far more convincing follower of Christ than you seem to be.
Rajk is an imposter. He pretends to be a follower of Christ.
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Notice this:
"Then the King will will say to those on His right hand, Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world." (v.34)
Though they enter into everlasting life He does not say "blessed of YOUR Father". He says "blessed of My Father"
They are saved and blessed sheep to not be judged and to be restored to the paradise like earth are not regenerated - born again. They are not sons of God. Jesus only says they are blessed of His Father.
However, the sons of God in Matthew 13 says "the kingdom of thier Father".
The former are the reigning ones, the Lord's brothers down to the least of them who overcome to be rewarded. The latter sheep in Matthew 13 are the nations over whom these sons of God are to reign. And the saved Jews are to be their priests.
No one said the Bible is always easy.
A push back could be - "Yea, but Luke said Adam was the son of God in his geneology of Jesus Christ." (Luke 3:38)
It is a good point. However Adam was not as the believer sons of God through receiving the life of God into them.
Adam being a son of God means that he was a direct creation of God. He had NO OTHER DADDY. In that sense, Yes, Adam the first man is called a son of God. The genealogical buck stopped with Adam - a direct creation of God.
@fmf saidNobody knows for certain anyone's personal life and whether or not they follow Christ. The only thing I know of anyone, is what they tell others about the Kingdom of God ie what doctrines they preach about. Even when people write about themselves [good or bad] I generally show no interest in that because that is irrelevant to what Jesus preached.
He's a far more convincing follower of Christ than you seem to be.
Even if I am the most evil person in the world, and I preach the teachings of Christ, then that is an of itself, a blessing from God. That is in the bible.
The worst thing someone can do is to lead another person astray with their teachings ie to teach a doctrine that Jesus did not preach or preach a doctrine completely contrary to Christ. That invites the curse of God and it is better a millstone was hanged on that mans neck and he be cast into the sea. Many Christians are guilty of this because their teachings are of Satan and not of Christ.
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The worst thing someone can do is to lead another person astray with their teachings ie to teach a doctrine that Jesus did not preach or preach a doctrine completely contrary to Christ. That invites the curse of God and it is better a millstone was hanged on that mans neck and he be cast into the sea. Many Christians are guilty of this because their teachings are of Satan and not of Christ.
If any Christian here is STUMBLED by me quoting to them this passage, please let me know why.
"And this is the testimony, that God gave to us eternal life and this life is in His Son.
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
I have written these things to you that you may know that you have eternal life, to you who believe into the name of the Son of God." (1 John 5:11-13)
Is there a "little one" or a young one or any one of my genuine Christian brothers or sisters who is stumbled by me drawing our attention to this promise?
Has anyone of been stumbled by my referring to this passage?
"If anyone's work which he has built upon the foundation remains, he will receive a reward.
If anyone's work is consumed, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." (1 Cor. 3:14,15)
Has some new Christian been "stumbled" because I brought to attention these passages of the New Testament ?
@fmf saidComing from you I'll take that as a compliment.
He's a far more convincing follower of Christ than you seem to be.
Apparently after all your years as an alleged Christian, you never understood the gospel of Jesus Christ, or much else with regards to the Bible.
@secondson saidOh well. We wouldn't have seen eye to eye. So what?
Apparently after all your years as an alleged Christian, you never understood the gospel of Jesus Christ, or much else with regards to the Bible.
@sonship saidAnyone foolish enough to believe what you say will end up being one of the goats of Matt 25.
@Rajk999
[quote] The worst thing someone can do is to lead another person astray with their teachings ie to teach a doctrine that Jesus did not preach or preach a doctrine completely contrary to Christ. That invites the curse of God and it is better a millstone was hanged on that mans neck and he be cast into the sea. Many Christians are guilty of this because their teachi ...[text shortened]... e new Christian been "stumbled" because I brought to attention these passages of the New Testament ?
The wise ones will keep the commandments of Christ and will be called a sheep of Christ on the day of judgment.
@fmf saidAre you playing dumb? You've said you were a Christian for decades. I'm assuming you read the Bible, attended Bible studies and heard sermons. You must have learned what the gospel is.
Oh well. We wouldn't have seen eye to eye. So what?
"So what" if you take what you know about the Bible relative to salvation and compare it to the jumbled up nonsense Rajk is producing, and say something to him about it?
You won't because Rajk serves your purposes here relative to what the real Christians post about the truth of God's Word.
You're so emotionally subjectivistic that a rational discussion about the actual narrative of scripture is virtually impossible, and I know it's by design because nobody is that dumb. The very thing you, Rajk and divegeester are want to do.
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Anyone foolish enough to believe what you say will end up being one of the goats of Matt 25.
Why ?
If they believe this then they are probably believers in Christ the Son of God and KNOW who He is.
Hence they would not be either of the sheep or the goats.
They do not know who this Son of man was.
The wise ones will keep the commandments of Christ and will be called a sheep of Christ on the day of judgment.
Of course believers should in the Lord and keep His word.
Of course Christians should obey the Lord Jesus and set their mind on the spirit and no on the flesh to walk in the spirit.
But there is more than one judgment. This section of Matthew 24 through is concerned with prophecy. And how God will deal with varied groups of people is covered.
The teaching of the judgment at the throne of the Son of Man's glory upon the sheep and the goats has its corresponding parable which is about the very same event.
And here it is in [b}Matthew 13:47-50[/b]. It is about the result of the preaching of that "eternal gospel" in the darkest time of the great tribulation and its result.
"Again, the kingdom of the heavens is like a net cast into the sea and gathering from every species.
Which, when it was filled, they brought onto the shore, and sat down and collected the good into vessels but the foul they cast out.
So it will be at the consummation of the age: the angels will go forth and separate the evil from the midst of the righteous.
And will cast them into the furnace of fire. In that place there will be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth." (Matt. 13:47-50)
The sea is symbolizes the Gentile world.
The land upon which the net is brought symbolizes the Holy Land of Israel.
The dragnet symbolizes not the gospel of grace preached by the church in the church age but the eternal gospel preached by an angelic voice from the air during the great tribulation.
"Every species" signifies all the nations; all the Gentiles.
There are two parables before this one about the dragnet.
They are the treasure hidden in a field about Christ's dealing with Israel (13:44) and the pearl of a great price brought up out of the sea about the church mostly brought out of the nations. (13:46,47).
After Jesus teaches about Israel the treasure hidden in the earth that the Lord bought the whole earth that He could secure that treasure and after the Lord taught about the Christian church which He also bought to save from out of the world by the Christian gospel, He turns His final attention to the Gentile to be judged by the eternal gospel.
In the previous two parables the buying finder went and sold all that he had. This means Christ went to the cross to lay down everything to obtain something of great worth to Him.
" .. a man found and hid, and in his joy goes and sells all that he has, and buys that field. " (v.44)
Christ paid everything to obtain Israel hidden in the God created earth.
" ... finding one pearl of a great value, he went and sold all that he had and bought it." (v.46)
Christ went to the cross to sell all that He had to obtain the new covenant church.
Then in the great tribulation He causes a polarization on earth to make the followers of Antichrist distinct from those who heed the eternal gospel to fear God the Creator.
The study notes of the Recovery Version Bible elaborate on these things for our learning.
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@sonship saidYou seem to have lost track of the following verses:
@Rajk999Anyone foolish enough to believe what you say will end up being one of the goats of Matt 25.
Why ?
If they believe this then they are probably believers in Christ the Son of God and KNOW who He is.
Hence they would not be either of the sheep or the goats.
They do not know who this Son of man was.
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The wise ones will keep th ...[text shortened]... reator.
The study notes of the Recovery Version Bible elaborate on these things for our learning.
49“So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, 50and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
The "wicked" are removed from "righteous" among them and thrown into the "furnace of fire".
The "wicked" are those who continue to commit sin.
The "righteous" are those who do not commit sin.
This concept is consistent with any number of other passages contained within the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth. Following are but a few examples:
John 8
34Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.
31So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you abide in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
35“The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.
John 5
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Matthew 13
41“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43“Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father.
How can you not understand what Jesus is saying?
@thinkofone saidYou're only free if Jesus sets you free.
You seem to have lost track of the following verses:
49“So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, 50and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
The "wicked" are removed from "righteous" among them and thrown into the "furnace of fire". ...[text shortened]... FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father.
How can you not understand what Jesus is saying?
You can do nothing to save yourself.
Salvation is a gift, not a reward.