@kellyjay saidYou have to be a dunce [which you are], to accept statements as if they are stand-alone truths. The words of Jesus have to taken all together.
So why don’t you actually accept scripture as is without changing them, attempting to make them mean something other than the words actually say?
Jesus said believe in Him, and you will have eternal life
Jesus also said follow His commandments and you will have eternal life
Jesus condemned many who profess to know Him and who were workers of iniquity - there are the 'Lord Lord' types.
Jesus never condemned anyone who did good works or lived righteously.
Jesus said those who did good works will enter the Kingdom of God, and those who did no good works will be cast out.
The Apostles did the very same thing. Believe and follow the commandments and live righteously. This is the ideal.
You can gather what you like from those statements, and I know that you [being a mouth worshiper] have gravitated to verbal professions of faith or as FMF puts it 'thinking your way to eternal life'.
Personally I have gravitated toward the doing and works side. I am happy with my interpretation and you are clearly happy with yours. I have said these things already to you and I would not be repeating it. Dont ask again.
@rajk999 saidIf you don’t take all scripture as written it is not the scripture you end up with, but your own words. The way you twist scripture is an attempt to keep your interpretation of works over God’s gift of grace. You can not just look at the words as is because they don’t fit the works doctrine. When you asked for scripture and it was given instead of addressing it you avoided the words and went after the person.
You have to be a dunce [which you are], to accept statements as if they are stand-alone truths. The words of Jesus have to taken all together.
Jesus said believe in Him, and you will have eternal life
Jesus also said follow His commandments and you will have eternal life
Jesus condemned many who profess to know Him and who were workers of iniquity - there are the 'Lord L ...[text shortened]... th yours. I have said these things already to you and I would not be repeating it. Dont ask again.
@kellyjay saidYou did not understand a word I said.
If you don’t take all scripture as written it is not the scripture you end up with, but your own words. The way you twist scripture is an attempt to keep your interpretation of works over God’s gift of grace. You can not just look at the words as is because they don’t fit the works doctrine. When you asked for scripture and it was given instead of addressing it you avoided the words and went after the person.
As a result of taking in Rajk999's kind of teaching do you long to be with Jesus with love? Or do you more have the thought - "I can do it! Others may fail. But I can make it. I'm stronger and better."
There is no love towards they Lord. There is stoking the fire of self confidence, self assured boasting, confidence in the flesh.
"Others think they are getting a free pass. But not me. I'm doing the work."
Isn't that what his kind of teaching nourishes in your flesh?
What about your innermost spirit - the kernel of your praying organ?
@sonship saidRajk999 teaches that followers of Jesus actually have to follow Jesus and not just think stuff about Him and think stuff about themselves.
As a result of taking in Rajk999's kind of teaching do you long to be with Jesus with love? Or do you more have the thought - "I can do it! Others may fail. But I can make it. I'm stronger and better."
There is no love towards they Lord. There is stoking the fire of self confidence, self assured boasting, confidence in the flesh.
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What about your innermost spirit - the kernel of your praying organ?
@sonship saidIf I reference what Jesus said about the Good Samaritan, or the Matt 25 judgment details about who gets eternal life or if I quote this
As a result of taking in Rajk999's kind of teaching do you long to be with Jesus with love? Or do you more have the thought - "I can do it! Others may fail. But I can make it. I'm stronger and better."
There is no love towards they Lord. There is stoking the fire of self confidence, self assured boasting, confidence in the flesh.
[i]"Others think they are g ...[text shortened]... hing nourishes in your flesh?
What about your innermost spirit - the kernel of your praying organ?
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Matthew 5:3-9 KJV)
all teachings of Jesus Christ, and you respond with this garbage
As a result of taking in Rajk999's kind of teaching do you long to be with Jesus with love? Or do you more have the thought - "I can do it! Others may fail. But I can make it. I'm stronger and better." There is no love towards they Lord. There is stoking the fire of self confidence, self assured boasting, confidence in the flesh. "Others think they are getting a free pass. But not me. I'm doing the work." Isn't that what his kind of teaching nourishes in your flesh? What about your innermost spirit - the kernel of your praying organ? ...
then clearly you are of Satan, destined to share Satans fate.
@sonship saidThere is no agreement between followers of Christ and followers of Satan, and there is nothing to debate. The words of Christ and the Apostles stand. You need to examine why it is that you see it fit to debate and to twist all that Jesus preached, and why you twist quite a lot of what Paul and the Apostles preached.
@Rajk999
You just threaten rather than debate.
Maybe someone on the Forum who agrees with you about Matthew 25:31-46, I'll happily do the dignity of discussing it with them.
Any volunteers ?
Here is a little sample of why I call you Satan. It is a small list [I could make a very big one], of a few of the straightforward teachings of Christ that you twisted to suit your crooked doctrine
1. The Beatitudes & Sermon on the Mount - long been the core of the teachings of Christ and a treasure of teachings of Christ designed to encourage humanity and good works, with Jesus actually saying that these actions lead to eternal life in the Kingdom of God. Now it is condemned by Christians as works salvation. Some even suggest that this has nothing to do what Jesus wants Christians to do but it is a description of the life of Christ.
2. The story of the Good Samaritan - A story in response to a question about how to get eternal life. Some Christians claim that this has nothing to do with how to get eternal life but is about Christ and his sacrifice on the cross and his saving of mankind. Not for Christians to follow and emulate is what they claim, ignoring the statement by Christ to go and do likewise.
3. Judgment Day Details in Matt 25 - Christians twist this passage claiming this is not for Christians to worry about but it is what is likely after Armageddon when Christians are fleeing persecution and the nations who help Christ brothers are rewarded with eternal life.
4. 'Lord Lord' Christians of Matt 7 - Here is Jesus condemning Christians with the Holy Spirit who think professing faith with the mouth and doing miracles constitutes good works and righteousness. Not so say Christians. For them this is proof that Christians need to 'know Christ' and have a personal relationship with Christ. It has nothing to do with living righteously and following the commandments of Christ.
The teachings of Christianity are truly Satanic and in complete opposition to Christ.
@rajk999 saidI understand, I just don’t agree you are preaching Christ Jesus and Him Crucified. What you preach is all human works without faith in Jesus Christ for our salvation. Our work is out of love and obedience not efforts to be righteous.
You did not understand a word I said.
@kellyjay saidYou did not understand a word Jesus said.
I understand, I just don’t agree you are preaching Christ Jesus and Him Crucified. What you preach is all human works without faith in Jesus Christ for our salvation. Our work is out of love and obedience not efforts to be righteous.
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Maybe someone on the Forum who agrees with you about Matthew 25:31-46, I'll happily do the dignity of discussing it with them.
Any volunteers ?
Volunteers doesn't mean you have to agree with me in the end.
It just means you are willing to explore the matter with me, maybe to think on the matters carefully for the future.
WHEN is this judgment in Matthew 25:31-46 ? Is it at the end of time and the end of the world ?
It is at the time when the Son of Man comes to sit on the throne of His glory. That is the time at the commencement of the thousand year millennial reign.
Compare:
"But when the Son of Man comes in His glory and all the angels with Him, at that time He will sit on the throne of His glory." (Matt. 25:31)
"And Jesus said to them, Truly I say to you that you who have followed Me, in the restoration [regeneration], when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you also shall sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Matt. 19:28)
So the TIME of this judgment is the Messianic kingdom, the kingdom of the restoration for 1,000 years. This is BEFORE the age of "a new heaven and a new earth" (Rev. 21,22) . This is before the end of history when God conducts the judgment of the great white throne in Revelation 20.
The TIMING of this judgment is NOT the last final judgment of all mankind. It is in the age immediately following the great tribulation when the Son of Man comes and sits on the throne of His glory in the Holy Land, in Israel.
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WHEN is the judgment of Mathew 25:31-46?
"AT THAT TIME ...". What time?
The time when the Son of Man comes with His angels and sits on the throne of His glory. (25:31; 19:28)
This is NOT the final judgment of all the dead at the great white throne in Revelation 20.
That is AFTER the millennial kingdom.
This judgment is at the very BEGINNING of the millennial kingdom.
@sonship saidNobody is listening to you.
@sonshipMaybe someone on the Forum who agrees with you about Matthew 25:31-46, I'll happily do the dignity of discussing it with them.
Any volunteers ?
Volunteers doesn't mean you have to agree with me in the end.
It just means you are willing to explore the matter with me, maybe to think on the matters carefully for the future.
WHEN is this ju ...[text shortened]... ibulation when the Son of Man comes and sits on the throne of His glory in the Holy Land, in Israel.