@KellyJay
We have a few different things going on in this thread, don't we?
They are One in complete harmony, but they are “they” in One.
I find that somewhat helpful. Isn't the mystery difficult to speak of?
But we can enjoy and experience the triune God. And most of the talk in the epistles of God is taking for granted that the listeners understand they are experiencing subjectively the Father - Son - Holy Spirit.
The Father is not the Son, or the Holy Spirit, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, they are One God.
But if the Son is called eternal Father it must not be vain talk.
I won't say the Son is not the Father if Isaiah 9:6 says the son is called eternal Father.
Creedal formulas take a second level of importance.
What is written takes the first place.
isaiah 9:6 is just like John 1:1.
The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Kelly, I won't say the Word was not God. I will not say "The Word was in harmony with God but is not God".
The Bible said "the Word was with God, and the Word was God".
Creedal formulas do not transcend the pure word of the Bible.
Theological creedal statements must be secondary and not replace the utterance of Bible.
Isaiah 9:6 says the given son will be called eternal Father. How can I say "Well He is called the eternal Father but He is not really the eternal Father"? Would I say "Well, He is called the Prince of Peace but He is not really the Prince of Peace"?
So the Son is the Father as it said.
And the Word was God as it said.
Jesus Christ could say when you see Me you see the Father, and tell us the Father loves Him and He the Father. Jesus when glorified sent the Holy Spirit to us to teach us about Christ, and the Spirit would not be speaking about Himself. Jesus said the things we say about Him we can be forgiven but what we say about the Holy Spirit we will not be.
Those statements are also true.
So we all need to get into the experience of the mystery of God.
@rajk999 said"Oh the irony" coming from the one with the least amount of integrity.
Its your thread.
Make a comment or ask an intelligent question.
You are a dummy trying to insult people like me.
No comment regarding the difference between grace and mercy?
Don't even try. You'll only expose yourself for the fraud you are.
@secondson saidThere are no questions addressed to me. Yet you want me to answer you. All you have done in this thread is post insults and have made yourself the laughing stock of the forum with your record 13 thumbs down.... lol
"Oh the irony" coming from the one with the least amount of integrity.
No comment regarding the difference between grace and mercy?
Don't even try. You'll only expose yourself for the fraud you are.
@secondson saidWell, I guess God shows his mercy by not punishing the sinner, and His grace by blessing the unworthy.
"Oh the irony" coming from the one with the least amount of integrity.
No comment regarding the difference between grace and mercy?
Don't even try. You'll only expose yourself for the fraud you are.
@sonship saidHe is a complexing One to talk about no doubt about it, the great thing is He is personal to us. Not an unknowable Spirit a God who has revealed Himself to us by becoming one of us.
@KellyJay
We have a few different things going on in this thread, don't we?They are One in complete harmony, but they are “they” in One.
I find that somewhat helpful. Isn't the mystery difficult to speak of?
But we can enjoy and experience the triune God. And most of the talk in the epistles of God is taking for granted that the listeners under ...[text shortened]...
Those statements are also true.
So we all need to get into the experience of the mystery of God.
@secondson saidWhat Rajk999 primarily lacks in order to believe as you and so many others do, is the ability to delude himself into believing that Jesus didn't say what He explicitly states and did say what He never said.
Understanding of simple biblical principles.
For example: does Rajk know the difference between mercy and grace?
Rajk claims he knows the Bible. Brags about it too. I wonder if he is up to the challenge of answering the question?
Of course Rajk can google up an answer or look up the terms in a dictionary, but I wonder if he knows the difference between grace and mercy relative to scripture.
To my feeling the most pitiful character in the whole Bible is KIng Saul. He is the first king of Israel who was driven insane with envy, jealousy and the desire to kill David.
When he saw the errors of his ways he wept and wanted to repent. But they he went back to doing the same old crimes.
He consults a witch. And even the witch feels sorry for him!
King Saul was truly a pitiful person in the whole Bible. I cannot read his story without feeling so sorry for him.
Then one day, one day I realized why he was so pitiful. The Bible says that God removed God's mercy from Saul. God told David his successor that He would not remove His mercy from David as He had from Saul.
Mercy reaches very very low. Maybe to the lowest point God can extend His mercy. To be without that mercy is terrible.
Sometimes I prayed to God and asked Him, no matter how far I might stray from Him that He would not withdraw His mercy from me.
Brother Witness Lee pointed out to us that the early epistles speak of grace and peace from God. But at the time of the degradation of the early church, the salutations contained the "mercy" from God.
Ie. Jude - "Mercy to you and peace and love be multiplied." (vs.1)
Ie. "To Timothy, beloved child: Grace, mercy, peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord" (2 Tim. 1:2)
Ie. "To Timothy, genuine child in faith: grace, mercy, peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord." ( 1 Tim. 1:2)
@sonship saidWhy is it that your posts can never hit the nail on the head but instead you drift on and on, and continue with irrelevant nonsense.
To my feeling the most pitiful character in the whole Bible is KIng Saul. He is the first king of Israel who was driven insane with envy, jealousy and the desire to kill David.
When he saw the errors of his ways he wept and wanted to repent. But they he went back to doing the same old crimes.
He consults a witch. And even the witch feels sorry for him!
King Saul was t ...[text shortened]... ld in faith: grace, mercy, peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord." ( 1 Tim. 1:2) [/b]
David was righteous and obedient to God
Saul was not.
That is the reason why God is merciful to some and not to others.
Rajk999 says I have TWISTED passages. Here is what he says I TWIST, the phrases -
" ... those who practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (See Galatians 5:21)
" ... not ... will inherit the kingdom of God" (See 1 Cor. 6:10)
" ... has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God" (See Ephesians 5:5)
Let us be fair to Rajk999 and fair to me.
Here is my defense.
In these three passages it specifies the conditions of saved Christians which will cause them not to be able to inherit the kingdom of God.
First - Galatians 5:21
"And the works of the flesh are manifest, which are fornication, uncleaness, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, angers, factions, divisions, parties, envyings, drunkenness, carousings, and things like these of which I tell you beforehand, even as I said before, that those who practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
Second - First Corinthians 6:10
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be led astray: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the avaricious, not drunkards, not revilers, not the rapacious will inherit the kingdom of God".
Third - Ephesians 5:5
"For this you know, knowing that every fornicator or unclean person or person of unbridled greedy lust, who is an idolater, has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."
I would not be twisting these passages to teach that if there is none of these errors, weaknesses, sins, habits, inclinations LEFT in the eternally saved Christian by the time of the end of the 1,000 year millennial kingdom, THEN what disqualified them PREVIOUSLY will NO LONGER be a disqualifying factor.
We have the assurance that Christ the interceding High Priest lives always to intercede for His people and is able to "SAVE TO THE UTTERMOST."
"But He [Christ] because of continuing forever, has the priesthood unalterable. Wherefore also He is able to save to the uttermost those who come forward to God through Him, seeing He is always living to intercede for them." (Hebrews 7:24,25)
Though they are LATE they nonetheless are fully transformed and sanctified after the discipline of losing the reward of the millennial kingdom. By the beginning of the age of the new heaven and new earth after the 1,000 years all born again humans have been conformed to the image of the Firstborn Son of God.
This then is not my twisting no inheritance in the kingdom of God. This is the hope that being saved to the uttermost eventually there is no longer in any Christian the negative things LISTED in the three passages or "things like these" .
They are saved, "yet so as through fire" (1 Cor. 3:15)
No twisting of passages was done by me.
@sonship saidYou are a product of Satan.
Rajk999 says I have TWISTED passages. Here is what he says I TWIST, the phrases -
" ... those who practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (See Galatians 5:21)
" ... not ... will inherit the kingdom of God" (See 1 Cor. 6:10)
" ... has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God" (See Ephesians 5:5)
Let us be fair to ...[text shortened]... e saved, "yet so as through fire" (1 Cor. 3:15)
No twisting of passages was done by me.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
(Revelation 3:22 KJV)
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhat is it you think needs to be produced, connections between the OT God and the NT God? I'll give you a couple, and you can give me your feedback. To begin with, who gave Moses the 10 Commandments? I'm saying God, Jesus’ connection to that should give you something to think about. Jesus said the Son of Man was Lord of the Sabbath, therefore Jesus is claiming Lordship over the Sabbath, do you see a connection?
You are merely retrofitting the Trinity Kelly into scripture.
Exodus 16:29
See! The Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Remain each of you in his place; let no one go out of his place on the seventh day.”
Matthew 12:8
For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”
Throughout the OT, the people would go to God asking for forgiveness of sin. Yet what does Jesus do?
Exodus 32:32
But now, if you will forgive their sin—but if not, please blot me out of your book that you have written.”
Matthew 9:2
And behold, some people brought to him a paralytic, lying on a bed. And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Take heart, my son; your sins are forgiven.”
Then we have the God of the OT sending Jesus into our world.
Numbers 21:
Then the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died. And the people came to Moses and said, “We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD and against you. Pray to the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us.” So Moses prayed for the people. And the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent and set it on a pole, and everyone who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.” So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole. And if a serpent bit anyone, he would look at the bronze serpent and live.
John 3:
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.