@kellyjay saidDo you agree that followers of Christ must obey His commandments and that He requires His followers to walk the Christian walk?
It is Christ who matters, you can know the scriptures, but if you don't know Christ it doesn't matter. You must be born again, it is only in Christ can we abide in Him, He is either our redeemer or not. If He is not our redeemer, we are condemned already! Having a law or rule cannot change the heart of anyone, only God within, and without God's Spirit in you, you don't belon ...[text shortened]... cannot make Him accept us by being good enough, it isn't about works in that regard it is obedience.
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@secondson saidFaith is good, having Gods Spirit is good, understanding what Jesus did is good, but it is all worthless if one does not have charity. There is no guarantee that a born again Christian will live in righteousness and will do good works. These come from the heart of man and failure to do these things leads to damnation. Jesus told the rich man the very same thing. He was lacking charity. You church people preach a doctrine devoid of charity. Paul had this to say to the born-again Christian Saints in the church of Corinth.
Speaking of "authority", with what authority do you speak when you judge and condemn others?
You seem incapable of understanding the difference between salvation and sanctification.
Salvation is undeserved. It a free gift of God's grace. It cannot be earned, otherwise it's not grace.
Sanctification is a process that lasts a lifetime. Sanctification is a work that ...[text shortened]... n imposter and a fraud masquerading as a believer for the purpose of destroying the faith of others.
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. (1 Corinthians 12:27-13:3 KJV)
A more excellent way to show that you are part of the body of Christ is to have charity. Everything else on its own is worthless
-Removed-The thread has no real question, and yet the man accuses people of not answering. Here is the opening post
What is Rajk lacking? Understanding of simple biblical principles.
For example: does Rajk know the difference between mercy and grace?
Rajk claims he knows the Bible. Brags about it too. I wonder if he is up to the challenge of answering the question? Of course Rajk can google up an answer or look up the terms in a dictionary, but I wonder if he knows the difference between grace and mercy relative to scripture.
Not one single question addressed to me, and vague nonsense questions to others. The man lacks basic internet decorum and common decency.
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@SecondSon
Only this I would want to have further examination of.
Sanctification is a process that lasts a lifetime. Sanctification is a work that God performs in the believer. When one dies and is separated from the body they are then glorified and removed from sin forever and rewarded according to the works of faith performed in this lifetime.
The resurrected and raptured and transffigured will apparently be preserved in all three parts of their being - spirit and soul and body.
Being preserved just in spirit and soul would be abnormal.
"And the God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thess. 5:23)
Sanctifcied - WHOLLY there, not partially. Never should we give the impression to people that God does not care about the body He created for man. It TOO is to be preserved yet glorified, changed, and swallowed up in life at transfiguration.
And to only to be preserved in spirit and soul would strictly be temporary. For God desires that we not be unclothed but clothed upon.
Unclothed souls before God would be naked. This is abnormal. So God cares not to separate forever the soul and spirit from the body. Rather He cares that we would be clothed upon and not found naked in His complete salvation.
"For also, we who are in this tabernacle groan, being burdened, in that we do not desire to be UNCLOTHED, but CLOTHED upon, that what is mortal may be swallowed up by [divine] life." (2 Cor. 5:4)
Now this is what we do not know very much about. But we have good reason to suspect it:
There are different degrees of glorification in the resurrected and raptured at the beginning of the millennium, most likely. And there will be discipline and destruction to anything left over that Christ wants to rid out of us.
This gives me ground to teach there will be different degrees of glorification in the saints at the beginning of the millennial kingdom.
In Paul's chapter on resurrection in First Corinthians he writes:
"There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly is one thing, and that of the earthly is another." (v.40)
That may just pertain to transfigured people and un-transfigured people. But I believe the next line pertains just to resurrected and transfigured saints.
"There is another glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory." (v.41)
We should expect that as saints differ from saints in sanctification and readiness so saint will differ from saint also in glory in transfiguration. This would be like "star that differs from star in glory" in the heavens.
Do you understand me up to this point SecondSon ?
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Born-again Christians who defile themselves with sin will be destroyed. They will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
I taught about being excluded from the reward of the millennial kingdom.
I taught on "shall not inherit the kingdom of God".
In harmony with the Scriptures I told you that such as suffer loss are saved still yet through fire.
"If anyone's work which he has built upon the foundation remains, he will receive a reward;
If anyone's work is consumed, he will suffer loss ..."
That suffering loss certainly includes being unable to enjoy the coming kingdom of Christ and God in the millennium, the regeneration.
(Galatians 5:19-21; 1 Cor. 6:9,10; Eph. 5:5 )
Works of the flesh will exclude these Christians from the reward of the millennial kingdom. Why are you so totally DENSE not to understand that I wrote of this many times?
But such still have the assurance of eternal redemption and eternal life though they suffer loss. If you don't like that then you have to blame the New Testament.
"if anyone's work is consumed, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved yet so as through fire. "
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@sonship saidThe dense people are the ones that swallow your BS, probably like the little local church people with whom you meet and you preach to them like you are some kind of authority.
@Rajk999Born-again Christians who defile themselves with sin will be destroyed. They will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
I taught about being excluded from the reward of the millennial kingdom.
I taught on "shall not inherit the kingdom of God".
In harmony with the Scriptures I told you that such as suffer loss are saved still yet ...[text shortened]... consumed, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved yet so as through fire. " [/b] [/quote]
These Christians who defile themselves will be destroyed and they will not inherit the Kingdom of God... that means NO KINGDOM OF GOD.
So go ahead and twist the bible and repeat your Satanic foolishness again.
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So go ahead and twist the bible and repeat your Satanic foolishness again.
Exactly where did I twist something in the Bible ?
I listed many passages. For the sake of those reading you, if not for my sake, IDENTIFY which passage/s I TWISTED.
If you don't want to show me, show it to one of those other posters who doesn't like my teaching here, like caissadr, Ghost, ToO perhaps.
Just IDENTIFY where specifically a verse is being TWISTED by me.
@sonship saidThere are 'no' passages in the Bible regarding the Trinity. Every time you present one you are twisting scripture,
@Rajk999So go ahead and twist the bible and repeat your Satanic foolishness again.
Exactly where did I twist something in the Bible ?
I listed many passages. For the sake of those reading you, if not for my sake, IDENTIFY which passage/s I TWISTED.
If you don't want to show me, show it to one of those other posters who doesn't like my teaching h ...[text shortened]... e caissadr, Ghost, ToO perhaps.
Just IDENTIFY where specifically a verse is being TWISTED by me.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidTrinity is an English word used to describe the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The harmony of God is not only in His attributes, but the God Head, and is seen throughout all of scripture. From seeing the Spirit of God over the water, God saying let Us make man in Our imagine, the declaration that God is One in Deuteronomy 6:4, throughout all the New Testament. No twisting of scriptures is required, that only comes from denying Biblical truth as there is but One God of the Bible.
There are 'no' passages in the Bible regarding the Trinity. Every time you present one you are twisting scripture,
@kellyjay saidYou are merely retrofitting the Trinity Kelly into scripture.
Trinity is an English word used to describe the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The harmony of God is not only in His attributes, but the God Head, and is seen throughout all of scripture. From seeing the Spirit of God over the water, God saying let Us make man in Our imagine, the declaration that God is One in Deuteronomy 6:4, throughout all the New T ...[text shortened]... tures is required, that only comes from denying Biblical truth as there is but One God of the Bible.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou merely deny the One God of scripture.
You are merely retrofitting the Trinity Kelly into scripture.
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@kellyjay saidOne God, AND One Jesus Christ, AND The Holy Spirit.
Trinity is an English word used to describe the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The harmony of God is not only in His attributes, but the God Head, and is seen throughout all of scripture. From seeing the Spirit of God over the water, God saying let Us make man in Our imagine, the declaration that God is One in Deuteronomy 6:4, throughout all the New T ...[text shortened]... tures is required, that only comes from denying Biblical truth as there is but One God of the Bible.
Nobody is denying that there is one God.
The twisting and adding comes when you want to claim they are all the same or that they are all equal etc., when Jesus himself said otherwise.