@rajk999 saidThat passage you quoted from John 10:27-28 wasn’t a speech to “masses of people” - which is your new criteria for believing Jesus Christ. It was a conversation Jesus was having with the Pharisees, so by your new standard of only believing what Jesus said to “masses of people,” it doesn’t count 😉
You continue to post incomplete or incorrect and misleading bible passages. It shows how you fail to be meticulous in dealing with the scriptures and in your posts. My KJV says
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.(John 20:21 KJV)
I dont know what you are saying here but the words Follow Me appea ...[text shortened]... )[/i]
Follow Me = Follow My Teachings
It does not mean to walk behind Jesus wherever he goes.
And “Follow me” in the New Covenant means walk after the Spirit and thereby fulfill Galatians 6:2.
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”
(Romans 8:1-4)
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.”
(Galatians 5:16-18)
“Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.”
(Galatians 6:2)
Your refusal to acknowledge the indwelling of God’s Holy Spirit in a believer and the power of God’s indwelt Holy Spirit in a believer’s life is a real stumbling block for you.
@rajk999 said<<God is the Father
You really are slow. None of your evidence makes a conclusive statement that Jesus IS GOD. What you have are insinuations and suggestions about the relationship between God and Jesus. What I believe I have stated a thousand times
God is the Father
Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
That is all that one needs to know.
This is clearly stated in the bible and references ...[text shortened]... many people are uncomfortable with YOUR INTERPRETATIONS and rather stick to what Jesus said clearly.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
That is all that one needs to know.>>
And, in your view, what is the difference in stature between God the Father and the Son of God?
@rajk999 said<<Smart
I doubt your church interpretation will impress me.
I have already explained. Read this slowly
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Everything I quote is straight from the Holy Bible.
Your false doctrine has forced you not only to ignore many of the Apostles’ teachings, but to ignore Jesus Christ’s own words if they weren’t spoken to “masses of people.”
This isn’t a Jesus vs. church disagreement.
This is a selective reading of the Bible vs. whole Bible disagreement. I and others are on the side of the whole Bible. You seem to be on the side of only believing Jesus’ words when He spoke them to “masses of people.”
@rajk999 saidYou keep citing that passage where Jesus Christ responds to Peter’s statement about His identity, but ignore this passage where Jesus responds to Thomas’ statement about His identity.
Of course you can share and people have read what you share, and I have repeatedly said what you believe is fine for you. I have not heard you once say what I believe is fine too.. You are an intolerant Christian and your aim is to convince or condemn.\ people.
I dont like your references and your conclusions, as for me they sound like hogwash. I like these kinds of refer ...[text shortened]... d not reveal that to you[/b]
I dont care for you to agree at all and you can believe as you wish.
“And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”
(John 20:26-29)
Could it be Jesus Christ is not making a distinction between God and Son of God?
@rajk999 said“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
The piece of nonsense is your downfall and the reason why you will spend your entire life trying without success to twist the bible
Peter never said that 'ALL the believers' are living stones.
(Galatians 3:28)
@rajk999 saidSo the book of Hebrews, which some people think was actually written by Jesus Christ, is “pointless speculation?”
I wont waste my time in pointless speculation with a doctrine clearly stated by Jesus.
This is your problem - anything in the Holy Bible that contradicts your false doctrine is ignored or dismissed. I believe the whole Bible - not just the words Jesus spoke to “masses of people.”
And yes, I’m aware Paul is considered the author of Hebrews. I’m just saying that’s not universally agreed upon.
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So Rjk999 says -
Peter never said that 'ALL the believers' are living stones.
The letter of First Peter begins in this way:
"Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the sojourners of the dispersion of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father in sanctification of the Spirit unto the obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace." (vs. 1,2)
I take the letter to be specifically addressing these mentioned in the salutation.
Generally I see absolutely no conceivable reason why it would not include:
1.) all human beings chosen by God the Father for salvation,
2.) all human beings foreknown by God the Father ,
3.) all human beings brought into the process of sanctification of the Spirit,
4.) all human beings brought into obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus.
I take obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus to basically mean obedience to come to Jesus Christ for redemption through His shed blood for that cause.
I also would take the letter to include in its audience:
5.) all human beings "regenerated unto a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead." (v.3)
6.) all human beings redeemed and regenerated by a risen Christ unto an inheritance (v.4) common to all believers in Christ.
7.) all human beings also who have not SEEN Jesus yet love and believe in Him. "Whom having not seen you love; into whom not seeing Him at present, yet believing . . . " (v.8)
8. all human beings who were redeemed not by corruptible things but by the precious blood of Christ - " . . . you were redeemed . . . with the precious blood, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot, the blood of Christ." (v.18,19)
9.) all human beings who through Jesus Christ believe in God who raised Christ from the dead - "Who through Him believe into God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory" (v.21)
10.) all human beings who were regenerated through the incorruptible living and abiding word of God. "Having been regenerated not of corruptible seed but of incorruptible, through the living and abiding word of God." (v.23)
I could go through the rest of the epistle. This should be enough to show why Rajk999's restriction of this letter to exclude all Christians is unreliable.
@rajk999 saidOk. Let me ask you this: What’s the difference between God and Son of God?
Stature has several meanings and getting into a discussion about the stature of God v the stature of Christ is a pointless exercise that I will leave for you pointless church people to engage in
What authority and power does God have that the Son of God doesn’t have?
@rajk999 saidI think you know what I’m asking.
I dont know what you asking.
neither do I care.. but I do know that the bible says
God is the head of Christ.
Christ is subject to God
Let me try one more question for you to ignore or dismiss:
Was Jesus Christ’s power and authority (since you don’t like the word “stature&rdquo😉 the same before His birth to the Virgin Mary as after His birth to the Virgin Mary?
@pb1022 saidI dont know, and neither do you. All you have in this topic is speculation and it is pointless. If you have something of value on this topic straight from Christ I would be happy to take a read of that otherwise ....
I think you know what I’m asking.
Let me try one more question for you to ignore or dismiss:
Was Jesus Christ’s power and authority (since you don’t like the word “stature&rdquo😉 the same before His birth to the Virgin Mary as after His birth to the Virgin Mary?
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If you have something of value on this topic straight from Christ I would be happy to take a read of that otherwise ....
Otherwise what ?
Is the letter of First Thessalonians the speaking of Christ ?
I say yes.
Is the letter of James the speaking of Christ?
I say yes.
Are the seven letters to the seven churches in Revelation 2 and 3 the word of Christ? I say yes and I would stake my life upon it by His grace.
Is the Gospel of John[/b] the word of Christ?
How about the book of Acts? Can the word of Christ be found there also?