@rajk999 saidActually, I do know.
I dont know, and neither do you. All you have in this topic is speculation and it is pointless. If you have something of value on this topic straight from Christ I would be happy to take a read of that otherwise ....
Because I believe the whole Holy Bible and not just the words that Jesus Christ spoke to “masses of people.”
Does Jesus’ prayer to God the Father in John 17 count, or is that excluded because those words weren’t spoken to “masses of people?”
Here are some passages that I believe back up my point that Jesus Christ was/is God in the flesh:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
(John 1:1-3)
“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
(John 1:14)
“Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”
(Hebrews 2:7-9)
“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
(John 17:4-5)
“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
(Philippians 2:6-11)
@sonship saidLol ... more comedy
So Rjk999 says -Peter never said that 'ALL the believers' are living stones.
The letter of First Peter begins in this way:
[b]"Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the sojourners of the dispersion of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father in sanctification of the Spirit un ...[text shortened]... be enough to show why Rajk999's restriction of this letter to exclude all Christians is unreliable.
@pb1022 saidJesus was praying to himself ... lol.... more comedy from the church comedians.
Actually, I do know.
Because I believe the whole Holy Bible and not just the words that Jesus Christ spoke to “masses of people.”
Does Jesus’ prayer to God the Father in John 17 count, or is that excluded because those words weren’t spoken to “masses of people?”
Here are some passages that I believe back up my point that Jesus Christ was/is God in the flesh:
“In th ...[text shortened]... e should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
(Philippians 2:6-11)
Ok I'm done. Get away from me you fools.
@rajk999 saidWow. You have no understanding of the Holy Bible at all.
Jesus was praying to himself ... lol.... more comedy from the church comedians.
Ok I'm done. Get away from me you fools.
You don’t understand the Trinity? You don’t understand that God is three *distinct* entities comprised of God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit?
When God’s Holy Spirit indwells a new believer, who do you think the Holy Spirit is?
“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.”
(John 14:16-17)
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”
(Romans 8:9)
It would serve you well not to be so arrogant, particularly when you lack so much understanding.
Frankly, you have a child’s understanding of the Bible: Do good works, Jesus will judge. Obey the commandments, Jesus will judge.
You don’t understand anything beyond the carnal and your simplistic, childlike mantras.
@chaney3 saidThe trinity belief originated in Babylon. That was passed on thru many religions and was eventually adopted into the Christian teachings a few hundred years after Jesus died. Jesus warned to his followers that false teachings would eventually be let into the churches teachings after his death.
"Who do you say I am"?
When Jesus asked Peter this question, Peter did NOT say "you are God ".
Peter said "you are the SON of God", and Jesus did not correct him.
Jesus was never completely clear about saying that He was "God", but emphasized over and over again that He was the son, and that God was the Father.
Through time, however it started, people combined So ...[text shortened]... unfolded is unclear to me, but it doesn't appear that Jesus preached that during His life on earth.
Also one needs to remember that words such as "god" did not always apply to Almighty God who's name is Jehovah. Many times it was applied to mighty beings whether real or not. But the term "Almighty God" was never applied to Jesus.
And the Bible is very clear when it says "no one may see God and live".
@pb1022 saidLol ... now the plot thickens and the truth about you people gets clearer. Now it is the case that I must understand the Trinity in order to go to heaven? Well apart from the fact that nobody goes to heaven, I must believe in all your other doctrines as well.
Wow. You have no understanding of the Holy Bible at all.
You don’t understand the Trinity? You don’t understand that God is three *distinct* entities comprised of God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit?
When God’s Holy Spirit indwells a new believer, who do you think the Holy Spirit is?
“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, tha ...[text shortened]... ll judge.
You don’t understand anything beyond the carnal and your simplistic, childlike mantras.
I have been there, I know all your false doctrines, I have studied them and I have rejected them in favour of the teachings of Christ.
@galveston75 saidSo what’s this mean?
The trinity belief originated in Babylon. That was passed on thru many religions and was eventually adopted into the Christian teachings a few hundred years after Jesus died. Jesus warned to his followers that false teachings would eventually be let into the churches teachings after his death.
Also one needs to remember that words such as "god" did not always apply to A ...[text shortened]... s never applied to Jesus.
And the Bible is very clear when it says "no one may see God and live".
“Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
(John 14:8-10)
That’s Jesus speaking and saying whoever has seen Him has seen the Father and that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him.
But Jesus wasn’t speaking to “masses of people” so I guess, in your view, those words of Jesus don’t count, right?
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@galveston75
The Triune God revelation did not start in Babylon.
It started in Genesis chapter one.
"And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness . . . And God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him . . . " (vs.26,27)
But who was with God Almighty in CREATING man and in CREATING In general?
He ALONE created the universe and formed man.
"Thus says Jehovah who redeemed you and formed you from the womb,
I am Jehovah who makes all things,
Who alone stretches out the heavens,
Who spread out the earth (Who was with Me?);
(Isaiah 44:24)
@rajk999 saidYou mean you favor the teachings of Christ to “masses of people” but not to individuals and small groups, right? That’s your new standard, right?
Lol ... now the plot thickens and the truth about you people gets clearer. Now it is the case that I must understand the Trinity in order to go to heaven? Well apart from the fact that nobody goes to heaven, I must believe in all your other doctrines as well.
I have been there, I know all your false doctrines, I have studied them and I have rejected them in favour of the teachings of Christ.
Because you reject these words of Jesus, don’t you?
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
(John 6:40)
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
(John 3:3-6)
“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
(John 8:24)
I suggest you meditate on these verses:
“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.”
(1 John 2:22-23)
@rajk999 saidAnd, as if on cue, you start posting insults when your false doctrine’s been blown out of the water and you’ve got no substantive reply
The Beast and the False Prophet on the attack .... lol 😀
Carry on with your pagan doctrines
@pb1022 saidYou are correct. I have no reply for terms not used by Christ or doctrines not preached by Christ or commandments not preached by Christ. If you looking for argument I have none. Argue with yourself
And, as if on cue, you start posting insults when your false doctrine’s been blown out of the water and you’ve got no substantive reply
@rajk999 saidAre you drunk on eggnog, amigo?
You are correct. I have no reply for terms not used by Christ or doctrines not preached by Christ or commandments not preached by Christ. If you looking for argument I have none. Argue with yourself
All of the verses I quoted are Jesus Christ’s own words:
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
(John 6:40)
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
(John 3:3-6)
“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
(John 8:24)