What Jesus Christ Said About Himself

@pb1022 said
<<If Jesus told someone something privately and never spoke of that publicly then that cannot be part of the Gospel Message and Jesus would not condemn someone for not believing something that HE SPECIFICALLY DID NOT PREACH TO THEM. He will judge on things he did specifically preach to the masses.>>

Don’t mean to put a pin in another one of your balloons, but you’re not liv ...[text shortened]... to Him.

Don’t try the “But I only pay attention to certain red letters” defense. It’s just silly.

i can see why cult life would be attractive to someone like you.

@chaney3 said
Jesus never made a CLEAR statement that He is God. He did make statements that would lead to the assumption that He COULD be God.

It's a frustrating issue, because it seems to be such an important matter of identity.

He was never clear, and that doesn't make sense.

The Word of God Jesus made flesh, He and the Father are One as too the Holy Spirit.
Being the Son of God is being God; still, One with the Father, and Holy Spirit and the Father is greater, but it still God with us, not god-like, not a demi-god, but God.

Matthew 1:23
“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us).

One of the great rules is not to have any other God before the Lord God Almighty so worshiping anyone else is wrong.

Matthew 4:10
Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’”

Revelation 19:10
Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.” For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Jesus received worship,

Matthew 28:8-10
English Standard Version
So they departed quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to tell his disciples. And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him. Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid; go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee, and there they will see me.”

John 5:18
This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.


He also didn't think being equal to God was something to grasp, but He emptied Himself to be like us.

Philippians 2:5-7
Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

He is either God with us, or He is not; I believe He is. No one would say the words when describing themselves, "I am" to a crowd; everyone there knew exactly what He was saying.

God gave us the Ten Commandments, He actually wrote them with His own finger, and what did Jesus say about the Sabbath? Who but God is Lord over those Commandments.

Matthew 12:8
For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”


I think its very clear who Jesus is, but many will deny Him no doubt.

Rjk999 wrote:

If Jesus told someone something privately and never spoke of that publicly then that cannot be part of the Gospel Message . . .

I don't need to quote the rest to expose the nonsensical nature of this claim.

Jesus told Peter privately "Follow Me". John was standing off and Peter asked Jesus "And Lord, what about this man?" (John 20:21) Jesus answered Peter in essence, that it was not Peter's affair to be concerned with the other disciple. "[You] follow Me."

Of course for me, or Peter, or anyone to follow the Lord Jesus is a response to the Gospel Message. See John 20:19-22.

@kellyjay said
The Word of God Jesus made flesh, He and the Father are One as too the Holy Spirit.
Being the Son of God is being God; still, One with the Father, and Holy Spirit and the Father is greater, but it still God with us, not god-like, not a demi-god, but God.

Matthew 1:23
“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, ...[text shortened]... is lord of the Sabbath.”


I think its very clear who Jesus is, but many will deny Him no doubt.

So basically you are still showing that there is no clear statement that Jesus said he is God. You choose to believe that and that is fine. What you choose to believe means that you think that the evidence points to Jesus and God is the same entity. The evidence in the minds of others show that Jesus is the Son of God, and God is the Father, they are two separate and distinct entities.

God is Greater than Jesus
God is the head of Jesus
God knows of things unknown to Jesus.

The above 3 little facts which are clearly stated in the bible, make your statement that Jesus is God and they are one and the same is really not the case.

@sonship said

Jesus told Peter privately "Follow Me". John was standing off and Peter asked Jesus "And Lord, what about this m r, or anyone to follow the Lord Jesus is a response to the Gospel Message. See [b]John 20:19-22.

You continue to post incomplete or incorrect and misleading bible passages. It shows how you fail to be meticulous in dealing with the scriptures and in your posts. My KJV says

Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.(John 20:21 KJV)

I dont know what you are saying here but the words Follow Me appears throughout the ministry of Christ and not just to Peter. So your point is really nonsense as usual. Here in a public lecture Jesus said

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.(John 10:27-28 KJV)

Follow Me = Follow My Teachings
It does not mean to walk behind Jesus wherever he goes.

@rajk999 said
So basically you are still showing that there is no clear statement that Jesus said he is God. You choose to believe that and that is fine. What you choose to believe means that you think that the evidence points to Jesus and God is the same entity. The evidence in the minds of others show that Jesus is the Son of God, and God is the Father, they are two separate and dist ...[text shortened]... e bible, make your statement that Jesus is God and they are one and the same is really not the case.

Yes, there are three persons, One being, God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with the Father being greater. They are the same, uncreated, eternal, and in total agreement with each other while in an eternal loving relationship. I gave you a statements as others have where Jesus claimed things that everyone He was talking to knew exactly what He was saying. You cannot claim to be "I AM" without referencing God; you cannot be the Lord of Sabbath without saying that you were above the ten commandments God wrote with His finger and gave to Moses.

Who do you claim Jesus is and why do you believe what you do?

@kellyjay said
Yes, there are three persons, One being, God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with the Father being greater. They are the same, uncreated, eternal, and in total agreement with each other while in an eternal loving relationship. I gave you a statements as others have where Jesus claimed things that everyone He was talking to knew exactly what He was saying. You cannot claim ...[text shortened]... with His finger and gave to Moses.

Who do you claim Jesus is and why do you believe what you do?

You really are slow. None of your evidence makes a conclusive statement that Jesus IS GOD. What you have are insinuations and suggestions about the relationship between God and Jesus. What I believe I have stated a thousand times

God is the Father
Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
That is all that one needs to know.

This is clearly stated in the bible and references has be posted a thousand times already. You are free to believe as you wish as I have already stated, but many people are uncomfortable with YOUR INTERPRETATIONS and rather stick to what Jesus said clearly.

@rajk999 said
You really are slow. None of your evidence makes a conclusive statement that Jesus IS GOD. What you have are insinuations and suggestions about the relationship between God and Jesus. What I believe I have stated a thousand times

God is the Father
Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
That is all that one needs to know.

This is clearly stated in the bible and references ...[text shortened]... many people are uncomfortable with YOUR INTERPRETATIONS and rather stick to what Jesus said clearly.

Jesus claimed that He and the Father are one, that the Father was greater than He.
Jesus claimed before Abraham, "I AM" and those that heard Him understood.
Jesus claimed He was Lord of the Sabbath, the Sabbath being part of the Ten Commandments was given by God.
There is so much more but I doubt you will grasp it.

Who do you say Jesus is, you claim to understand His words, please explain.

@kellyjay said

There is so much more but I doubt you will grasp it.

I doubt your church interpretation will impress me.

I have already explained. Read this slowly

I
stay
with
what
Jesus
said
clearly.

Beacuase
churches
have
twisted
the
bible
into
40,000
different
sects
all
claiming
to
have
the
truth.

Smart
people
stick
with
the
teachings
of
Christ
and
ignore
the
church.

@rajk999 said
I doubt your church interpretation will impress me.

I have already explained. Read this slowly

I
stay
with
what
Jesus
said
clearly.

Beacuase
churches
have
twisted
the
bible
into
40,000
different
sects
all
claiming
to
have
the
truth.

Smart
people
stick
with
the
teachings
of
Christ
and
ignore
the
church.

I can share what I believe and why, as do others here. You make claims without backing up why you only give vague references without specifics.

@kellyjay said
I can share what I believe and why, as do others here. You make claims without backing up why you only give vague references without specifics.

Of course you can share and people have read what you share, and I have repeatedly said what you believe is fine for you. I have not heard you once say what I believe is fine too.. You are an intolerant Christian and your aim is to convince or condemn.\ people.

I dont like your references and your conclusions, as for me they sound like hogwash. I like these kinds of references which are crystal clear, to the point and cannot be twisted.

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.(Matthew 16:15-17 KJV)

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God
God revealed that to Peter
Jesus Christ was in agreement
Peter is blessed because of that.
Note that God did not reveal to Peter that Jesus was God
If you have other beliefs then God did not reveal that to you

I dont care for you to agree at all and you can believe as you wish.

Other aspects to this little summary of Rajk999:

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God
God revealed that to Peter
Jesus Christ was in agreement
Peter is blessed because of that.

Jesus, ALSO revealed to Peter that he was a stone to be a part of the dwelling place of God in man. "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church, and the gates of and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." (Matt. 16:18)

By revelation the Father showed Peter that Christ is the Son of the living God. ALSO by revelation Christ revealed to Peter that he was building a house for God, a living organic house of which Peter was to be a stone.

Did Peter remember this? Yes. He confessed that ALL the believers are "living stones built up a spiritual house."

"Coming to Him, [Christ] a living stone, rejected by men but with God chosen and precious. You yourselves also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house into a holy priesthood to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. " (1 Pet. 2:1,2)

Jesus Christ as God-man is the cornerstone of this house, this temple for God to dwell in, Jesus Christ is the rejected God-man who became the cornerstone of God's house He is building which cannot be defeated by the gates of Hades.

"You yourselves also, as living stones." means Peter, the stone, and all the believers in Christ, are as Christ not the cornerstone but nonetheless integral parts of this building work as living stones.

"You yourselves ALSO . . . as living stones [plural] are being built up.

God was in Christ. God is imparted into those saved by Christ. Christ the Son of God is the cornerstone of God's holy living building. All those in whom Christ is living and growing are ALSO living stones growing up to be the dwelling place of God, the church which Christ is building.

The Apostle Paul also had this revelation. He wrote to the Christians in Ephesus -

"So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, . . . " (Eph. 2:19)

But what IS this household of God? It is organic and living BUILDING with Christ as the cornerstone and the believers being transformed into a corporate dwelling place of God. That is where the Triune God may live in a group of saved people!

"Being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone; In whom all the building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord; In whom you also [b/] [Christians in the city of Ephesus] [b] are being built together into a dwelling place of God in spirit." (vs. 20-22)

In the local churches we receive revelation that we also as living stones are growing by transformation into a living temple of God - God dwelling in many men and women and boys and girls into a habitation of God in spirit. How precious is the revelation of Christ and the church.

@sonship said

Did Peter remember this? Yes. He confessed that ALL the believers are "living stones built up a spiritual house."

The piece of nonsense is your downfall and the reason why you will spend your entire life trying without success to twist the bible

Peter never said that 'ALL the believers' are living stones.

@rajk999 said
So basically you are still showing that there is no clear statement that Jesus said he is God. You choose to believe that and that is fine. What you choose to believe means that you think that the evidence points to Jesus and God is the same entity. The evidence in the minds of others show that Jesus is the Son of God, and God is the Father, they are two separate and dist ...[text shortened]... e bible, make your statement that Jesus is God and they are one and the same is really not the case.

<<God is Greater than Jesus
God is the head of Jesus
God knows of things unknown to Jesus.>>

Do you agree that Jesus Christ *before His birth to the Virgin Mary* was of a different stature than after His birth to the Virgin Mary?

Being fully God and fully man is of less stature than being fully God.

The book of Hebrews, chapter 2, says Jesus was “made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, … that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

Being made a “little lower than the angels” is obviously lower than God the Father.

But He was *made* a little lower than the angels; that wasn’t always His stature.

And I think Jesus remained God after His birth to the Virgin Mary in the same way that a rich man’s son remains a rich man’s son if he is impoverished. His stature and circumstances have changed but his identity hasn’t.

@pb1022 said
<<God is Greater than Jesus
God is the head of Jesus
God knows of things unknown to Jesus.>>

Do you agree that Jesus Christ *before His birth to the Virgin Mary* was of a different stature than after His birth to the Virgin Mary?

Being fully God and fully man is of less stature than being fully God.

The book of Hebrews, chapter 2, says Jesus was “made a little low ...[text shortened]... man’s son if he is impoverished. His stature and circumstances have changed but his identity hasn’t.

I wont waste my time in pointless speculation with a doctrine clearly stated by Jesus.